HOLY CRAP! Billet compressor wheel for the factory turbo.

[turbonator]

i would be more worried for the CHRA itself exploding, a 6MM shaft already being over spun, add to that a higher flowing wheel and its going to snap the shaft and send wheel chunks into the engine, but at least its only a customers truck and not something tested first on your own rig...LOL... cant wait to see the results.....

 

[turbonator]

I think he's waiting to hear about exploded turbo carnage or if it works.

Sort of like here in this warning video that HOLSET issued about the chinese knock offs that peopel are buying up. Quite a few DODGE guys learned first hand about that wonderful CKO40 coming apart under high boost. Skip to 3:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za0DieZHMKc

oh its okay though, we dont spin the CKO's nearly as hard as the cummins guys do so its okay, :rolleyes5: even though our air pump is bigger than theirs....LOL

 

[THEFERMANATOR]

oh its okay though, we dont spin the CKO's nearly as hard as the cummins guys do so its okay, :rolleyes5: even though our air pump is bigger than theirs....LOL

It might be bigger, but a high output 6.5 is putting out about what a STOCK 5.9L is. How many 6.5's have enough fuel to hit 40+ pounds of boost with one? And if they do, how many have tried it?

 

[turbovanman]

Exactly! Am sitting back and watching to see what happens. Do I think this has potential to actually work? Maybe, and there is only one way to find out. Not helping is the vendor's statements of benefits without any real-world data (unless I missed it) to cross-examine / peer-review. But the larger picture question (presuming it works as advertised) is whether this is a complete solution and that is where most of the skepticism lies.

And in all honesty, I am only hoping for success (or at least no harm) as you have clearly put a lot of effort and pride into your work and I do not want to see it hurt unless that is part of an accepted risk. Fabbing-in a remote turbo using known good parts is truly impressive work; the billet wheel (at the moment) is an open question on all levels.

Thanks, we'll find out Friday.

 

[turbovanman]

It might be bigger, but a high output 6.5 is putting out about what a STOCK 5.9L is. How many 6.5's have enough fuel to hit 40+ pounds of boost with one? And if they do, how many have tried it?

They know, they are just here trolling, :hihi:

 

[turbonator]

It might be bigger, but a high output 6.5 is putting out about what a STOCK 5.9L is. How many 6.5's have enough fuel to hit 40+ pounds of boost with one? And if they do, how many have tried it?

do you even have a clue what a 5.9l puts out stock? in 89-93 the were rated at 175, then 93-94.5 rated between 175 and 215, after that i believe m from 95-2000 they were around 215-245, and then climbing exponentially... my point being that 6.5l is a bigger air pump with more volume, so it can spin the CKO equal to what a 5.9l can stock..... we have hit 35psi boost with a .290" pump, so dont try that more fuel crap, the VE or a p-pump is OEM pretty much the same mm# as the stanadyne is.... this is just losing time argueing with this group here, there has not been anything original or ground breaking from this site for quite sometime....

 

[turbovanman]

i would be more worried for the CHRA itself exploding, a 6MM shaft already being over spun, add to that a higher flowing wheel and its going to snap the shaft and send wheel chunks into the engine, but at least its only a customers truck and not something tested first on your own rig...LOL... cant wait to see the results.....

Thanks for the props. :thumbsup:

Hmmmm, more mass per psi equals less boost needed to run and a lighter wheel equals oh right, less stress on the shaft.

 

[THEFERMANATOR]

do you even have a clue what a 5.9l puts out stock? in 89-93 the were rated at 175, then 93-94.5 rated between 175 and 215, after that i believe m from 95-2000 they were around 215-245, and then climbing exponentially... my point being that 6.5l is a bigger air pump with more volume, so it can spin the CKO equal to what a 5.9l can stock..... we have hit 35psi boost with a .290" pump, so dont try that more fuel crap, the VE or a p-pump is OEM pretty much the same mm# as the stanadyne is.... this is just losing time argueing with this group here, there has not been anything original or ground breaking from this site for quite sometime....

Try again. 89-90 NON intercooled were 160HP, in 91-93(1st intercooled ones) the manuals were 180 and the auto was 160. 94-95 was the same except they went to the P7100 IP. 96-98 12 valves the autos went to 180 and manuals were 215(except for a few 5 speed cab and chassis's in 98 that were 230. 98-00 24 valves were 215 or 235, and the same engine starting in 01-02 had the 6 speed manual at 245. Starting in 03 they went to 305HP, and 325HP after that until 06. Most of the guys using these were the 03+ and were pushing in stock form what a 6.5 could hope to push with a regular DS4 pump.

And the 6.5L may be bigger, but I doubt it could hope to even touch what a 5.9L moves for air stock. Just because an engine theoretically can move X amount of air doesn't mean it can actually move it. Using your logic a 6.5 should be using the same turbos as a DURAMAX. I want to see a 6.5 that can spool up an S400 or the like.

 

[turbonator]

Try again. 89-90 NON intercooled were 160HP, in 91-93(1st intercooled ones) the manuals were 180 and the auto was 160. 94-95 was the same except they went to the P7100 IP. 96-98 12 valves the autos went to 180 and manuals were 215(except for a few 5 speed cab and chassis's in 98 that were 230. 98-00 24 valves were 215 or 235, and the same engine starting in 01-02 had the 6 speed manual at 245. Starting in 03 they went to 305HP, and 325HP after that until 06. Most of the guys using these were the 03+ and were pushing in stock form what a 6.5 could hope to push with a regular DS4 pump.

And the 6.5L may be bigger, but I doubt it could hope to even touch what a 5.9L moves for air stock. Just because an engine theoretically can move X amount of air doesn't mean it can actually move it. Using your logic a 6.5 should be using the same turbos as a DURAMAX. I want to see a 6.5 that can spool up an S400 or the like.

so we should just disregard the fact that when the 5.9l actuates the gate on the turbo that 3 cylinders are gated leaving only the drive pressure from three cylinders to drive the charger, where as the 6.5l still drives the charger with all 8 even when its gating? from what i have found the compressor wheel inducer on a dmax is only a 60mm, not that large, there have been and still are members running hx50-55 on this forum, so its not like it cant be done.... take it how you want, but i still think its stupid to put a higher flowing wheel into an already choking turbo that does not even have an anti surge slot/MWE.... but go hard guys, will be watching the results... and i dont think your years to HP for the cummins are entirely correct either ferm...LOL

 

[turbonator]

Thanks for the props. :thumbsup:

Hmmmm, more mass per psi equals less boost needed to run and a lighter wheel equals oh right, less stress on the shaft.

so you think that your fancy china wheel slows down the overall speed that the charger will spin? like i said on DP trying to push more air through a charger without MWE is just asking for surge and shaft failure.... but i digress, you are the self proclaimed 6.5l diesel specialist, at least thats what you claim on your website....LOL

 

[turbovanman]

so you think that your fancy china wheel slows down the overall speed that the charger will spin? like i said on DP trying to push more air through a charger without MWE is just asking for surge and shaft failure.... but i digress, you are the self proclaimed 6.5l diesel specialist, at least thats what you claim on your website....LOL

Yep and nope and yep.

Blah blah blah.

 

[6.5L]

I'm gonna argue that I thought my BD valve setup was fairly ground breaking and original. Learned a lot. Dyno'd a lot to back up what I learned as well.

 

[THEFERMANATOR]

so you think that your fancy china wheel slows down the overall speed that the charger will spin? like i said on DP trying to push more air through a charger without MWE is just asking for surge and shaft failure.... but i digress, you are the self proclaimed 6.5l diesel specialist, at least thats what you claim on your website....LOL

No that would be you and whoever else proclaiming yourself to be 6.5 diesel specialists. i see now why all of the 6.5ers whobuilt up DP into the resource it is now left it and no longer frequent the boards. if it wasn't for those founders, where would all the new specialists be at?

 

[THEFERMANATOR]

so we should just disregard the fact that when the 5.9l actuates the gate on the turbo that 3 cylinders are gated leaving only the drive pressure from three cylinders to drive the charger, where as the 6.5l still drives the charger with all 8 even when its gating? from what i have found the compressor wheel inducer on a dmax is only a 60mm, not that large, there have been and still are members running hx50-55 on this forum, so its not like it cant be done.... take it how you want, but i still think its stupid to put a higher flowing wheel into an already choking turbo that does not even have an anti surge slot/MWE.... but go hard guys, will be watching the results... and i dont think your years to HP for the cummins are entirely correct either ferm...LOL

Pretty sure even the small IHI that I have is 63MM(never bothered to measure it). And so according to your chart I was off 5HP and put 180 instead of 175(OH MY GOD HOW WILL I SLEEP AT NIGHT!). And they say there was only a 160HP for 89-93(but DODGE touted about the higher output intercooled engines in 92, at least I was closer than your 175). Just like nobody beleieved me about the factory 230HP truck, but others have posted pictures of there engine ID tag with it saying 230HP. Or how this chart doesn't list the low output CA emission trucks of the time period with EGR. So a chart liek found on wikipedia done by another individual is the end all be all in your eyes. My memory isn't perfect, I will be the first one to admit that. But I was pretty D@MN CLOSE.

 

[Paveltolz]

Well it was an entertaining thread....

 

[turbovanman]

Well it was an entertaining thread....

Why was? :???: :hihi:

 

[Paveltolz]

Turned to entertaining instead:hihi:
but with the bickering its starting to look like just another #$%^& storm in the making. Hopefully I'm wrong.

This should liven things up though.

Ok, I'll admit it. I bit and bought one just for the conversational side of things. I'll take some good photos and post them up. Unfortunately, I don't have a GM wheel to compare it to anymore but no matter.

 

[THEFERMANATOR]

Maybe I should by one and make a turbo jet out of my GM4 and put it in it. Then I could sit back and see how much one can take.

 

[Paveltolz]

I'll send you mine.

 

[turbovanman]

Turned to entertaining instead:hihi:
but with the bickering its starting to look like just another #$%^& storm in the making. Hopefully I'm wrong.

This should liven things up though.

Ok, I'll admit it. I bit and bought one just for the conversational side of things. I'll take some good photos and post them up. Unfortunately, I don't have a GM wheel to compare it to anymore but no matter.

I'll be doing the same on Friday, hopefully it shows up by then.

I should be getting commission on these wheels, lol. :rof: