The forced air induction\more fuel thread...

[Slim Shady]

I'll tell you what, when you post your experiments whether good or bad, whether they work or not then I'll do the same.

I'd tell you what I've done but it's top secret and if I told you I'd have to kill you LOL.

I was just wondering if you have data on the turbo ? And you can't kill me cause I am already dead, so that is out of the question. Now honestly would you contribute more if what you are doing keeps getting bashed? I think I have spent more than most and contributed more than some. SO waiting to see if you have data.

 

[robzombie4551]

I would report my results yes, but I wouldn't tell anyone to expect the same results as me as my total setup would be different.

Now if you wanted to replicate the exact setup with the sum of all parts and not tout just one, let's say a turbo for instance, you wouldn't get the same results as me just by bolting on said turbo without all other changes involved.

If all it took was an ATT or HX35/40 or whatever than this board would be just a chat room and we all would have the same thing on our trucks.

As far as the bashing goes, I haven't bashed you about your turbo because I haven't used it. I can buy a chinese turbo for half what you sell one for and would rather be a guinea pig for half the price.

Your turbo might be all that and a chicken wing for all I know, or the biggest turd that ever sat on a 6.5 manifold, but like you I think outside the box and figured I would try something no one else has tried so I could see if there is something better suited to me.

I think that's why Turbonator started this thread, to throw out ideas and see what comes of it, you know the two heads are better than one approach. He would like to try super charging and if that works better than a turbo set up than hopefully he will share ALL THE DATA, not just some custom parts that he could sell to me. If everyone would share what they know than we would all be the better for it whether it's good,bad or ugly,sorry for the clint metaphor couldn't help it.


Now if you would disclose all performance mods made instead of being a data collector and share with me than I will share with you.

But I'm sure you know more than me as you have been at this longer than I have.

 

[6.2 turbo]

I'm not going to keep any secrets . It's not like we are in a competition,and there is huge prize money for the winner. I'm going to post it all , and if my 6.5 runs better than normal anyone can copy it . If it immediately blows up then people will know what not to do,either way it will help others. The only downside I see ,is people not comprehending all the issues involved,and be led astray. An example would be my 6.2 pump,I must have had it on and off 100 times . More than one time I had to walk home from a test drive,in the middle of the night.

 

[Slim Shady]

I'm not going to keep any secrets . It's not like we are in a competition,and there is huge prize money for the winner. I'm going to post it all , and if my 6.5 runs better than normal anyone can copy it . If it immediately blows up then people will know what not to do,either way it will help others. The only downside I see ,is people not comprehending all the issues involved,and be led astray. An example would be my 6.2 pump,I must have had it on and off 100 times . More than one time I had to walk home from a test drive,in the middle of the night.

My sentiments exactly, the things I have done or have working are not products that I ever plan to sell so I don;t ever plan on selling anything again so that is not the issue, The only product I had was the turbo. If I recommend a modification and someone blows up their motor do I get chastised? So until I know it is safe I won't recommend it. And what I have to say is not really important since most here know way more than-me.

 

[Slim Shady]

I would report my results yes, but I wouldn't tell anyone to expect the same results as me as my total setup would be different.

Now if you wanted to replicate the exact setup with the sum of all parts and not tout just one, let's say a turbo for instance, you wouldn't get the same results as me just by bolting on said turbo without all other changes involved.

If all it took was an ATT or HX35/40 or whatever than this board would be just a chat room and we all would have the same thing on our trucks.

As far as the bashing goes, I haven't bashed you about your turbo because I haven't used it. I can buy a chinese turbo for half what you sell one for and would rather be a guinea pig for half the price.

Your turbo might be all that and a chicken wing for all I know, or the biggest turd that ever sat on a 6.5 manifold, but like you I think outside the box and figured I would try something no one else has tried so I could see if there is something better suited to me.

I think that's why Turbonator started this thread, to throw out ideas and see what comes of it, you know the two heads are better than one approach. He would like to try super charging and if that works better than a turbo set up than hopefully he will share ALL THE DATA, not just some custom parts that he could sell to me. If everyone would share what they know than we would all be the better for it whether it's good,bad or ugly,sorry for the clint metaphor couldn't help it.


Now if you would disclose all performance mods made instead of being a data collector and share with me than I will share with you.

But I'm sure you know more than me as you have been at this longer than I have.

I am sure you know way more than me, but what I have going is not going to be something that will be sold it is for everyone for free. But until I know it is safe I am not going to put it out there.

Now about my bolt on turd or chicken wing, that came out of a research project and became a product for everyone only because there was much interest and this site was created in some part because we were not allowed to share information freely about turbos where we were at if someone had a product. So defending my turbo or furthering it should not be a matter of shame for me nor should I have to be reprimanded for defending it here because nobody is putting a stop to any discussion. Especially when I pay a vendor fee to sell my turbo here.

And yes you can buy a Chinese turbo for half the price as mine. But is it bolt on did someone do enough research that you can run it with a stock tune or a correctly modified program or in most multiple configurations. I can tell you that until you manufacture something for everyone to use and make it usable in more that just your "standard" configuration and make it dependable then you can lam bast me about sharing my ideas. So once again without giving away your top secret ideas have you compared your turbo to the standard gm and noticed: or detailed. a difference? If you don't want to share then that is fine.

I will share one TOP secret project for another. So I have for almost a year been working on a roots blower for MY engine alone. I have everything mocked up and ready to make the actual parts (blower purchased and partially modified) but have decided to forgo the project because without the turbo research dollars I am not going to spend my savings on something that frivolous. The A-Team Turbo in part has funded most of what I have been working on. The OTHER top secret products I will share as they progress. But with out funding I have backed off on the research and development.

 

[Woody35]

If I recommend a modification and someone blows up their motor do I get chastised? .

yes you would. but ultimately it is the owners fault because they didnt do enough research, installed it wrong, or their driving killed the motor. but if you share different modifications and warn people that it is possible to harm your engine then no, its not your fault because your not recommending it. your just sharing information that you have gathered and whats worked for your engine combination not someone elses.

 

[NVW]

Dennis, when I get my 98 going and funds allow another ATT will be needed. Now if I could only find time.

I am sure you know way more than me, but what I have going is not going to be something that will be sold it is for everyone for free. But until I know it is safe I am not going to put it out there.

Now about my bolt on turd or chicken wing, that came out of a research project and became a product for everyone only because there was much interest and this site was created in some part because we were not allowed to share information freely about turbos where we were at if someone had a product. So defending my turbo or furthering it should not be a matter of shame for me nor should I have to be reprimanded for defending it here because nobody is putting a stop to any discussion. Especially when I pay a vendor fee to sell my turbo here.

And yes you can buy a Chinese turbo for half the price as mine. But is it bolt on did someone do enough research that you can run it with a stock tune or a correctly modified program or in most multiple configurations. I can tell you that until you manufacture something for everyone to use and make it usable in more that just your "standard" configuration and make it dependable then you can lam bast me about sharing my ideas. So once again without giving away your top secret ideas have you compared your turbo to the standard gm and noticed: or detailed. a difference? If you don't want to share then that is fine.

I will share one TOP secret project for another. So I have for almost a year been working on a roots blower for MY engine alone. I have everything mocked up and ready to make the actual parts (blower purchased and partially modified) but have decided to forgo the project because without the turbo research dollars I am not going to spend my savings on something that frivolous. The A-Team Turbo in part has funded most of what I have been working on. The OTHER top secret products I will share as they progress. But with out funding I have backed off on the research and development.

 

[turbonator]

I am sure you know way more than me, but what I have going is not going to be something that will be sold it is for everyone for free. But until I know it is safe I am not going to put it out there.

Now about my bolt on turd or chicken wing, that came out of a research project and became a product for everyone only because there was much interest and this site was created in some part because we were not allowed to share information freely about turbos where we were at if someone had a product. So defending my turbo or furthering it should not be a matter of shame for me nor should I have to be reprimanded for defending it here because nobody is putting a stop to any discussion. Especially when I pay a vendor fee to sell my turbo here.

And yes you can buy a Chinese turbo for half the price as mine. But is it bolt on did someone do enough research that you can run it with a stock tune or a correctly modified program or in most multiple configurations. I can tell you that until you manufacture something for everyone to use and make it usable in more that just your "standard" configuration and make it dependable then you can lam bast me about sharing my ideas. So once again without giving away your top secret ideas have you compared your turbo to the standard gm and noticed: or detailed. a difference? If you don't want to share then that is fine.

I will share one TOP secret project for another. So I have for almost a year been working on a roots blower for MY engine alone. I have everything mocked up and ready to make the actual parts (blower purchased and partially modified) but have decided to forgo the project because without the turbo research dollars I am not going to spend my savings on something that frivolous. The A-Team Turbo in part has funded most of what I have been working on. The OTHER top secret products I will share as they progress. But with out funding I have backed off on the research and development.

thats fair, and i understand the missing money thing.... our top secret project burned up in the spring when our shop burned, along with all the mechanics tools, all the company tools and a customers truck..... so we start again, and its true what R.Z. says, i started this thread to hear what people are doin, or thinkin of doin, not to bash anyone.... and if my money tree was not junk, i would have already bought one of slims turbos to try.... and i think it is a great price for a bolt on kit....

 

[robzombie4551]

I have a bolt on custom hx 40 hybrid [made in china] just like slims [made in china]ATT except mine has a t3 flange [no modification] , I didn't have to cut my upper manifold, and only had to tap the oil feed hole for gmx oil fitting and do an easy exh. to down pipe fab all for under 500.00 bucks. The key here is less money and less work and hopefully equal or better performance.

Not bashing you Dennis just pointing out that if we also do our homework we can come up with turbos as good as or better fitting than ATT and other turbos that are currently being run.

I will post pics and video of install and specs on turbo and video of real world performance from the gauges among other data and seat of the pants, with the current gm8 and new turbo regardless of whether it performs better or worse or???

That way people won't make the same mistake I made ,or if it's a hit they can duplicate it if they want to.

I'm sick of the I have something top secret crap. If people don't want to share keep it all to yourself and not try to bait people with what you aren't willing to share.

I understand if it's just an idea, but WTF we are all adults here and the point of this forum is to share ideas. If we blow our trucks up we have no one to blame but ourselves unless someone who sells a product and offers a full refund if not satisfied with said performance or blows the motor when told it wouldn't.

If we share we all learn, the good and the bad, that's why I joined this sight. To learn what I don't know and share what I do know. But most importantly to fellowship with people who share a common bond,THE LOWLY 6.2/6.5 trucks that we all drive and strive to improve.

 

[turbonator]

I have a bolt on custom hx 40 hybrid [made in china] just like slims [made in china]ATT except mine has a t3 flange [no modification] , I didn't have to cut my upper manifold, and only had to tap the oil feed hole for gmx oil fitting and do an easy exh. to down pipe fab all for under 500.00 bucks. The key here is less money and less work and hopefully equal or better performance.

Not bashing you Dennis just pointing out that if we also do our homework we can come up with turbos as good as or better fitting than ATT and other turbos that are currently being run.

I will post pics and video of install and specs on turbo and video of real world performance from the gauges among other data and seat of the pants, with the current gm8 and new turbo regardless of whether it performs better or worse or???

That way people won't make the same mistake I made ,or if it's a hit they can duplicate it if they want to.

I'm sick of the I have something top secret crap. If people don't want to share keep it all to yourself and not try to bait people with what you aren't willing to share.

I understand if it's just an idea, but WTF we are all adults here and the point of this forum is to share ideas. If we blow our trucks up we have no one to blame but ourselves unless someone who sells a product and offers a full refund if not satisfied with said performance or blows the motor when told it wouldn't.

If we share we all learn, the good and the bad, that's why I joined this sight. To learn what I don't know and share what I do know. But most importantly to fellowship with people who share a common bond,THE LOWLY 6.2/6.5 trucks that we all drive and strive to improve.

is it waste-gated? we are thinking to try a H1C we picked up at the scrap-yard for $50... and 225 later we got the exhaust wheel/shaft, and a rebuild kit.... if we find that it is too laggy, we will sell it on e-bay or HMT... the honda guys are nuts for them.... oh and it is a 16 cm housing off of a 1990? 5.9l... oh yeah the bond between us poor diesel guys is what keeps these trucks and motors going...

 

[robzombie4551]

Read post #3 and I will add pics and more info in a day or two.

 

[Slim Shady]

I have a bolt on custom hx 40 hybrid [made in china] just like slims [made in china]ATT except mine has a t3 flange [no modification] , I didn't have to cut my upper manifold, and only had to tap the oil feed hole for gmx oil fitting and do an easy exh. to down pipe fab all for under 500.00 bucks. The key here is less money and less work and hopefully equal or better performance.

Not bashing you Dennis just pointing out that if we also do our homework we can come up with turbos as good as or better fitting than ATT and other turbos that are currently being run.

I will post pics and video of install and specs on turbo and video of real world performance from the gauges among other data and seat of the pants, with the current gm8 and new turbo regardless of whether it performs better or worse or???

That way people won't make the same mistake I made ,or if it's a hit they can duplicate it if they want to.

I'm sick of the I have something top secret crap. If people don't want to share keep it all to yourself and not try to bait people with what you aren't willing to share.

I understand if it's just an idea, but WTF we are all adults here and the point of this forum is to share ideas. If we blow our trucks up we have no one to blame but ourselves unless someone who sells a product and offers a full refund if not satisfied with said performance or blows the motor when told it wouldn't.

If we share we all learn, the good and the bad, that's why I joined this sight. To learn what I don't know and share what I do know. But most importantly to fellowship with people who share a common bond,THE LOWLY 6.2/6.5 trucks that we all drive and strive to improve.

OK and do you know where the idea for the HX40 came from? I do and the person it came from owns an ATT and has made the recommendation based on some calculations from running that turbo, SO did the ATT benefit the 6.5 crowd at the expense of the inventor?

The next time you get your performance product after someone has gone through and spent thousands and you copy off of it because IT WORKS and you (inventor) are seeing a monetary loss for that research, YOU have walked in my shoes. Then you can comment.



So how many people here have put out over ten thousand to make a product to sell at a reasonable price for such a frugal group? YES I HAVE next?

 

[Slim Shady]

OH and I also forgot can you call someone at 11:00 at night when you are doing your install and they help you or call from the side of the road cause they just installed their new turbo have no boost family is in the truck and they are genuinely concerned. Then the problem is found to be a lose clamp on the hose not the turbo. Yeah I do care most wouldn't do that.

 

[robzombie4551]

SO did the ATT benefit the 6.5 crowd

Yes it did, It works for some and not for others. It has helped me to figure out what would be best for what I'm looking for. It's not for me though.

The next time you get your performance product after someone has gone through and spent thousands and you copy off of it because IT WORKS and you (inventor) are seeing a monetary loss for that research, YOU have walked in my shoes. Then you can comment.

No crying allowed dennis, and if you want to get ugly I can, I have chosen not to beat up on the way you sell a turbo that looks like a backyard hack job until now. Redrilled flange instead of correct t3 flange or t3 to t4 adapter.

Initially sold with some orange piece of crap dryer vent looking hose instead of neoprene. Have to cut the upper intake and ruin the stock manifold, which sucks if you want to go back to a stock turbo.Now you can take it personally if you want. You didn't invent anything, you adapted something to try to fit/work on a 6.5 just like I'm doing. ADAPTING something else to suit my needs that hopefully will work better than expected to.

Well I'm doing the exact same thing you did and many others are doing on this board.The only difference is I won't sell anything. We all spend thousands trying to get the most out of our trucks and then there's the crew who sits back and waits for people like us to do the hard work and then they enjoy the benefit. If thats's to much for you to handle then get out of the turbo buisness because they constantly evolve. What works today is old hat tomorrow. That's why R&D cost companies so much to stay ahead. That's why places like this thrive, by sharing ideas and helping those who are clueless until they learn from others, me included.

I didn't copy you. You're giving yourself way to much credit. I hope you have thick skin and we can still be civil or even friends towards one another.

If I get my post removed or a PM spanking for speaking my feelings or telling the truth so be it. These are my opinions and I am entitled to them. This isn't the only 6.5 forum just the best one until recently and if I'm tossed I will miss it here, there are a great bunch of people here and I will miss most of them. I will suffer no foolishness from you or anyone else.

 

[Slim Shady]

Yes it did, It works for some and not for others. It has helped me to figure out what would be best for what I'm looking for. It's not for me though.



No crying allowed dennis, and if you want to get ugly I can, I have chosen not to beat up on the way you sell a turbo that looks like a backyard hack job until now. Redrilled flange instead of correct t3 flange or t3 to t4 adapter.

Initially sold with some orange piece of crap dryer vent looking hose instead of neoprene. Have to cut the upper intake and ruin the stock manifold, which sucks if you want to go back to a stock turbo.Now you can take it personally if you want. You didn't invent anything, you adapted something to try to fit/work on a 6.5 just like I'm doing. ADAPTING something else to suit my needs that hopefully will work better than expected to.

Well I'm doing the exact same thing you did and many others are doing on this board.The only difference is I won't sell anything. We all spend thousands trying to get the most out of our trucks and then there's the crew who sits back and waits for people like us to do the hard work and then they enjoy the benefit. If thats's to much for you to handle then get out of the turbo buisness because they constantly evolve. What works today is old hat tomorrow. That's why R&D cost companies so much to stay ahead. That's why places like this thrive, by sharing ideas and helping those who are clueless until they learn from others, me included.

I didn't copy you. You're giving yourself way to much credit. I hope you have thick skin and we can still be civil or even friends towards one another.

If I get my post removed or a PM spanking for speaking my feelings or telling the truth so be it. These are my opinions and I am entitled to them. This isn't the only 6.5 forum just the best one until recently and if I'm tossed I will miss it here, there are a great bunch of people here and I will miss most of them. I will suffer no foolishness from you or anyone else.

Hey you are entitled to your opinion just as everyone else is, I have no qualms with that at all. I never said you copied anyone we all benefit from what has come before. So loosen up those tighty whity's and get back on track. I promise not to respond again,

 

[robzombie4551]

:thumbsup:Okay we're cool:thumbsup:

 

[Slim Shady]

OK OK broke my own rule, there are things you don;t know. The crap dryer hose is fiberglass and silicone, smooth interior when bent good to 300 plus a little for all day use, Neoprene does not take heat well or hold up to oil very well. The t3 to t4 flange would have made the turbo hit the hood. To change the casting would have cost 5000 plus and the T4 flange actually worked quite well with the size housing we were using.

Cutting the intake did not ruin anything you could re weld the aluminum if needed or use silicone turbo hose available easily from most auto stores to reconnect the old turbo. Functionality and durability took first precedence in what I wanted to use. The intake hose set up changed and as always judging something from after the fact is always easy. I am sure you will find that your set up will need some tweaking unless I am mistaken and you have perfected everything from the inception. So it isn't tough love it is your opinion and based on what you perceive. Which you are entitled to but not without some rebuking.

 

[robzombie4551]

Here is the turbo I'm using. It comes with T3 flange and is comparable to your AAT in size except has the aforementioned T3 and more compact so as not to cut the intake.

I will share more as I go and gather the data and post install pics.

Shipped to the door for $350.00

 

[Slim Shady]

And how is it comparable in size to the ATT, did you or someone else measure the ATT to compare it :skep: it has a waste gate.:skep: so how big is the housing ?
:hello: If you don't need to cut the intake then the compressor housing must be different in some manner to have the extra room or is the housing offset.

Is this the same turbo that Buddy was mentioning in the other threads or is it a different one? Do the studs bolt into the manifold / turbo or do you use nuts and bolts to attach the turbo ?

You have or have not installed it yet? What size is the compressor exit ? is there a lip on the end that needs machining or is it a smooth transition

 

[robzombie4551]

Look at post #3

It has a 4 inch housing, waste gated to 20LBS.

Is this the same turbo that Buddy was mentioning in the other threads or is it a different one?

And no not to my knowledge. This one has the biggest compressor wheel available and a 16cm^2 exh. housing.