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Hello, New to the site but have had diesels for 30 years or so. I am in the transmission conversion process on my M1010 (Military Ambulance on a K30 chassis) and have some questions for the group. Most of what I am doing is my first time so there may be a lot.
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Hello, New to the site but have had diesels for 30 years or so. I am in the transmission conversion process on my M1010 (Military Ambulance on a K30 chassis) and have some questions for the group. Most of what I am doing is my first time so there may be a lot.
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Welcome to The Truck Stop. What part of WNC are you in?
 
I have gutted the box on the back and am designing a camper setup. Bed/frig/hot water/heat/solar/possible a/c but first is the 6L80 transmission. I've had and daily drove a 1986 M1009 for 18 years before the kids complained about the missing back doors and a/c so I sold that and bought a 1988 Suburban with a/c and barn doors. Then I found a good deal on a 1991 Suburban so I bought it. It is manual windows/locks with the 5.7 TBI engine and 700R4 transmission but it does have a/c. They have been my daily drive for the last 6 years or so when I found this M1010. I changed out the electrical system to the same style found in all the other CUCV's, removing the 24V alternators and Duvac (sp??) regulator and put in (2) 160A, 12V Leece Neville isolated ground alternators, each charging one 12V battery. I also pulled the resistor bank and changed the glow plug supply to 12V. I also removed the glow plug controller and just have a manual button to operate the glow plugs. On my M1009 I burnt a lot of plugs until I went with the manual control. Still running the 24V starter but am considering changing it to 12V. I have read that 24Vis more effcient for solar and heavy load appliances so I may just stay with the 24V system. I'd be interested if anyone on here has done either with a CUCV? 12V vs 24V???
I also swapped in a new mechanical lift pump, new drivers side fuel tank and sender and then installed a passenger side fuel tank and sender with a 6 port valve that switches the gauge to the tank in use.
I plan to insulate the back with rigid foam when I get the interior designed and all my wires and plumbing needed for the camper. I also plan on closing up the back doors and installing a access door behind the passenger door. Of course a few windows, a trailer hitch, backup and side view cameras....the list goes on.
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New fuel door on Passenger side.
 
We were already talking pm, I mentioned the engine killing risk of the manual LP & gave EP158 or FASS recommendation.


The 24v starter is great. All the way until you have to replace it.
In the military- a report I read said #1 injury of wheeled mechanics was the 165# tires on hmmwvs. The #2 injury is replacing the starter. Your starter is way more than double the weight of a normal starter. So be seriously careful when you do have to change it. The 24volt starter does an amazing job spinning the engine really fast to help starting. If you do swap to the 12 volt- get the PowerMaster 9052. There is a different front support bracket you need for it but those are cheap and plentiful. For hummer/hmmwv guys who replace the huge starter like yours- I tell them buy 2 powermasters. Two of them are still cheaper than one prestolite and weighs less. They just have to find a spot to carry the spare
Your prestolite is advertised as waterproof but once they have 15,000 miles of heat on them, they often are not sealed anymore. Being sealed traps the carbon from the brushes as they wear causing a shorter life. So guys who dont waterford a lot will remove the seals. The powermaster isn’t waterproof but several guys (including me) have put them underwater with no issues because it dries out fast. Powermaster cranks about same rpm as 24volt. The regular AC Delco and other 12v starters spin much slower making cold starts worse
 
We were already talking pm, I mentioned the engine killing risk of the manual LP & gave EP158 or FASS recommendation.


The 24v starter is great. All the way until you have to replace it.
In the military- a report I read said #1 injury of wheeled mechanics was the 165# tires on hmmwvs. The #2 injury is replacing the starter. Your starter is way more than double the weight of a normal starter. So be seriously careful when you do have to change it. The 24volt starter does an amazing job spinning the engine really fast to help starting. If you do swap to the 12 volt- get the PowerMaster 9052. There is a different front support bracket you need for it but those are cheap and plentiful. For hummer/hmmwv guys who replace the huge starter like yours- I tell them buy 2 powermasters. Two of them are still cheaper than one prestolite and weighs less. They just have to find a spot to carry the spare
Your prestolite is advertised as waterproof but once they have 15,000 miles of heat on them, they often are not sealed anymore. Being sealed traps the carbon from the brushes as they wear causing a shorter life. So guys who dont waterford a lot will remove the seals. The powermaster isn’t waterproof but several guys (including me) have put them underwater with no issues because it dries out fast. Powermaster cranks about same rpm as 24volt. The regular AC Delco and other 12v starters spin much slower making cold starts worse
PowerMaster 9052. There is a different front support bracket you need for it but those are cheap and plentiful.

I used the same front support bracket.

What's different?
Should I take another look at the front support bracket.
It's only been started a few times since installation.

Ok. I'm guessing you mean the 12 volt starters take a different front support bracket than the 24 volt starters.

The Powermaster starter also calls for a 10 ga exciter wire to the starter.

I installed a starter relay on the 1994, using the purple exciter wire to trigger the relay
 
Yes, the 24v starter and the original H1 12volt starters are all HUGE direct drive starters that have a very different front support bracket & different 2 mounting bolts from starter to block. On Hmmwvs & Hummers they have a large enough exciter wire. I don’t remember on cucv.
 
We were already talking pm, I mentioned the engine killing risk of the manual LP & gave EP158 or FASS recommendation.


The 24v starter is great. All the way until you have to replace it.
In the military- a report I read said #1 injury of wheeled mechanics was the 165# tires on hmmwvs. The #2 injury is replacing the starter. Your starter is way more than double the weight of a normal starter. So be seriously careful when you do have to change it. The 24volt starter does an amazing job spinning the engine really fast to help starting. If you do swap to the 12 volt- get the PowerMaster 9052. There is a different front support bracket you need for it but those are cheap and plentiful. For hummer/hmmwv guys who replace the huge starter like yours- I tell them buy 2 powermasters. Two of them are still cheaper than one prestolite and weighs less. They just have to find a spot to carry the spare
Your prestolite is advertised as waterproof but once they have 15,000 miles of heat on them, they often are not sealed anymore. Being sealed traps the carbon from the brushes as they wear causing a shorter life. So guys who dont waterford a lot will remove the seals. The powermaster isn’t waterproof but several guys (including me) have put them underwater with no issues because it dries out fast. Powermaster cranks about same rpm as 24volt. The regular AC Delco and other 12v starters spin much slower making cold starts worse
Will,

I think I have opened up a can of worms but longevity is at stake here. I only want to do this once...or twice.
Question 1: Where do I plumb in an electric fuel pump when I have 2 fuel tanks? Can it be right after the switching valve?
Question 2: Is there a 24 volt ProMaster starter?
Question 3: The FASS pump needs a return line to the tank I am drawing from and that makes it quite difficult to go that route when I have two tanks.

I'm getting way too many negatives on this swap and I'm not sure I should continue at this point. I do need a faster rig and I do want OD but am feeling queasy on the 6L80 at this point. I just read a 4L80 post on SS that said the tachometer sender that I bought (not delivered yet) was not strong enough for that application which I suspect is close to the same as this one. There are too many questions I cannot find answers too. : (

Thanks

Charlie
 
1.
Yes, some dual tank systems run the lift pump after the switching valve. Your switching valve should be a 4 line system that has supply & return for main tank- then switches to use supply and return for aux tank. You can NOT have one return line only to the main tank. Imagine it is full, you drive on the aux tank and the ip pumps the excess fuel to the main tank. It will overflow or build pressure in the return line and shut off the engine.
Idk the switching valve used on that rig.

The other way people do multiple tanks is use a low cost electric pump to draw from the aux tank and it feeds to the main tank only. As the main tank runs low, they turn on a switch that refills the man from the aux. Then you don’t use a switching valve. Then the expensive lift pump with filtering system is only from the main tank to the ip. And if the auxiliary pump fails- it’s a nuisance not a vehicle break down nor does it negatively affect the ip.

Ideally you want a pump as close to the fuel tank as possible. It is a pump, not a suck. All pumps last longer & perform better pumping than sucking.

2. Ive no idea if powermaster makes a 24v version. The 12v version is part number 9052. You could call them up on Monday and ask them about it.
But if you are already running a 12v system for the glow plugs- then you should be able to feed a starter from your 12v battery.
Or just stay with the 24v starters- if you do that I just suggest searching for a good deal on a second one and take the time to learn a bench rebuild or find a rebuilder near you. Most big cities have one or two.

3.
Yes the fass pump returning the secondary line to the filler hose so that it recirculates all the time to polish the fuel is more effort. A second switching valve would be the easiest. Moeller sells very reliable 3 way valves on amazon or most any boating supply store.

Whatever you do on your fuel system, keep these things in mind:
There will be ethanol in your diesel fuel so rubber lines are always SAE30R9 - everything else fails from the inside out so you don’t see leaks- things just break one day if it isn’t that line.
No brass, copper, bronze.
A fuel gauge T close to the ip inlet as possible with no rubber lines after it will pay for itself. 5psi is your desired pressure at the ip inlet.
Never use emulsifiers.

If you choose to stay with the mechanical lift pump- VERY FREQUENTLY check your oil bu smelling the dipstick. Any fuel smell means do not start the engine. Replace the fuel pump and do an oil change BEFORE starting the engine. I can’t tell you how many times I heard “I was just driving it 1 mile to my house to fix it” when they got to buy a new engine. It ruins block, crank, rods, cam, oil pump drive, ip- just everything that spins inside the engine.


On the transmission- If I had heard your idea before you spent money, I would have said 4L80E (or 4L85E) with the slight less overdrive is the majorly proven transmission. Gear ratios:


2.482
1.4821.000.75

All I can say at this point is I hope your’s works but you are like the 120th person I have heard try it and not a single person has gotten over 25,000 miles yet. So lawyer up now. Dot every i and cross every t.
 
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