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How does TrboDyn compare to Amsoil?

jrsavoie

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I was surprised at the poor performance of Amsoil.

Can somebody post the Reader's Digest Condensed version of the results?

My take = Triodine is the best.

Can't get much more condensed than that.

But it did take me a long time to download and open it. We have painfully slow service and this old computer doesn't help a thing. I have to much stuff on here, but I don't know how or what needs to go.

A little overview would help people that have trouble with downloads
 

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I will see if I can condense it some, but some may get the impression I'm picking and choosing what to post....

Basically Tribodyn out performed every other oil tested in every category..

This is a patented oil with additives no other oil has and the test show it does very well..
 

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I would like an answer biased on past oil failures I have experienced. Failure = conditions that exceed the limits of conventional engine oil.

Failure as far as I am concerned is a Used Oil Analysis that indicates an engine oil needs to be changed due to contamination, out of viscosity range, TBN and/or TAN out of range, oxidation due to overheating, sludge. Contamination needs a break out: soot content, fuel dilution, water, "OMFG!" bearing etching Coolant, dirt, and fuel again as Biodiesel contamination.

Failures from shock cooling scuffing a piston I doubt any oil can prevent: this is the test that stops the electric motor dog and pony show that @FellowTraveler posted. The motor did, in fact, stop at some point. IF it can get past the shock - maybe.

The above noted the only failures I have seen from engine oil is overheating the oil itself by adding a spool valve on a 6.2 with uncoated pistons. I am not an exception in general as oil sludge engine failures is common today. Pick Toyota that runs the heads too hot that results in sludge to the point of engine failure. Dodge has intake manifolds that leak and overheat the oil from running lean --> sludge --> engine failure. GM's timing chain failures due to excessive wear in some engines would be an interesting case to look at, but, it's a design material/defect combined with too long drain intervals.

The ugly camshaft from a buddy's 3.9 Dodge V6 has 250K on it before it was wiped out. It's difficult to improve on this when the entire vehicle is pretty used up on conventional engine oil. The bar is high, but, the EPA has been lowering it.

The given motor stopping study is an old show parlor trick that oil marketing uses, but, it's not answering the true question of how does this oil handle the everyday krap we are going to throw at it? Specifically longer drain interval by not failing any UOA? Able to run longer than 1 year or 6 months as some 6.7 Cummins diesels require, handle contamination better, less oil consumption, handle fuel dilution better, better heat tolerance esp. when SHTF like blown coolant hose, BioDiesel contamination is a future nightmare available today... And normally F the EPA, but, an early failure of a cat or DPF caused by engine oil is an expensive concern.
 

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Not quite sure what you want from me, a oil sample with 15K miles on the oil and 210K miles on the motor? I'm only about 10K miles into the oil in their now, it will be some time before I reach the 15K mark...

And @Joey D yes it is regularly 74$ a gallon, I do have a sale going on this month but it will never be as cheap as some other oils, but by the same token the other oils aren't like this one..

I know it doesn't matter to some but many NASCAR teams are running this product in all the fluid locations, Sterling Martin uses it in all 8 of his cars, and he purchases it it's not given to him...

@WarWagon , you seem to put a lot of miles on and may be hard on motors, you would be a good one to test it, and let everyone know the sample results compared to what ever you are using now, same miles for each oil... and no I can't give it away but I could discount it, heck I didn't get it free during the testing... And if my coating on your condenser worked as I said it would do you think this product will or is it just another sells ploy??
 

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So you guys know my take on applied coatings. I asked the couple of questions here about the oil, then made a few calls to some oil engineers and chemists that i know to get their take on it. After 4 phone calls from guys that have nothing to do with this oil mfr, I came on the thread and signed up for some.
My vehicles that I dont plan on keeping a long time, will not get it. My hummer, planning on being used till I die, will run it. So if that tells you anything about a couple of their competitors oil specialists opinions... yeah.
I won’t say the guys names or who they work for obviously, but one of the companies is definitely considered one of the best.
 

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I was surprised at the poor performance of Amsoil.

Can somebody post the Reader's Digest Condensed version of the results?

My take = Triodine is the best.

Can't get much more condensed than that.

But it did take me a long time to download and open it. We have painfully slow service and this old computer doesn't help a thing. I have to much stuff on here, but I don't know how or what needs to go.

A little overview would help people that have trouble with downloads
Reading the article posted will give you insight of Tungsten disulfide & 'nano powder' Tribological characteristics. The 1st part of the product name tells me why it surpassed all other oils tested. It would be interesting to see how well any of those products would do with the nano-power mixed in them.
 

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Failures from shock cooling scuffing a piston I doubt any oil can prevent: this is the test that stops the electric motor dog and pony show that @FellowTraveler posted. The motor did, in fact, stop at some point. IF it can get past the shock - maybe.
Standard "Timken test" is not dog & pony, however the nano Tungsten particles 'fullerene' has been proven for many, many decades to out perform any and everything "common to consumers."
 

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Having done the timken test on many oil variations working at the oil company in the fleet, it is very easy to defraud using the test- as a WW put it: a dog and pony show.

Exact duplicate testing and preferred as a double blind method is the only way to find results.

The testing described for this oil was using correctly an exact duplicate system. Could it have been faked or done misleading? Yes. The results being so dramatic is what led me to finding some old phone numbers and bothering people that were not excited to get my call. They see reports like this and do their own tests to know if it is real or marketing bs. Their opinions of it is why I have changed to this is what I believe is the best options.

As to putting in your own extra additives to this oil-
Figure if we know of the additives, the folks that created this oil might be aware of it also. If they are asked and say yes you could add it then ok. But if they say not to for some reason- could be they tried it and found results as to why not.

Remember all the factors of improving oil tends to follow a bell curve and once certain percentages of components are hit the back side of the curve is found. If they don’t add more based on simply investment cost per quart, they would tell you you can add more. But since they are making what is not based on being the cheaper oil but the best option- I would think focusing any additional money on filtering would be better spent.
 

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Having done the timken test on many oil variations working at the oil company in the fleet, it is very easy to defraud using the test- as a WW put it: a dog and pony show.

Exact duplicate testing and preferred as a double blind method is the only way to find results.

The testing described for this oil was using correctly an exact duplicate system. Could it have been faked or done misleading? Yes. The results being so dramatic is what led me to finding some old phone numbers and bothering people that were not excited to get my call. They see reports like this and do their own tests to know if it is real or marketing bs. Their opinions of it is why I have changed to this is what I believe is the best options.

As to putting in your own extra additives to this oil-
Figure if we know of the additives, the folks that created this oil might be aware of it also. If they are asked and say yes you could add it then ok. But if they say not to for some reason- could be they tried it and found results as to why not.

Remember all the factors of improving oil tends to follow a bell curve and once certain percentages of components are hit the back side of the curve is found. If they don’t add more based on simply investment cost per quart, they would tell you you can add more. But since they are making what is not based on being the cheaper oil but the best option- I would think focusing any additional money on filtering would be better spent.
Interesting thoughts, however "Tungsten fullerene nano particles" are extremely expensive to produce thus the extra cost in oil blends."

The web is full of debates on this topic both pro and con like it is with everything these days even government....
 

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Anyone can look through the msds and see whats in it. Moly is one of them and it is very good at lubrication and their are other things in it.
I've become a true believer in these modern methods of coating limited only by ones imagination and bringing lubricants way beyond what is considered the norm. 'Moly is a great additive and the tungsten nano particles are the slickest thing known to man right now and used in countless products and both proving their worth and ability to coat and stay put and not just fall out or filtered out in lubricating oil applications.'
 

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I don't know what all is in the mix but i can say if you get it on your fingers it will leave them feeling slick all day. I'm guessing with the name it's got other things in it than plan moly just don't have a need to ask the onwer..
 

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Standard "Timken test" is not dog & pony, however the nano Tungsten particles 'fullerene' has been proven for many, many decades to out perform any and everything "common to consumers."
Just throwing some ideas out there on what legit concerns exist with oil. I have seen this test abused for snake oil, but, it's not my main concern for oil. The only true oil failures I have experienced have been from high heat ruining the oil and high heat combined with biodiesel contamination. Heat the oil sample up to 300 degrees and see how it holds up. (My former Trailblazer SS would hit this ECM calculated oil temp without towing on grades.) The Mobil 1 frying pan test comes to mind although a visual only: how well is the oil holding up at the top of the grade when it's 121 degrees out? Then when the towing's done how is the oil pressure with an additional 15 min of idle, AC on high, while kicking the trailer off?
 

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Well like I said, you would be a good subject for testing oil samples... that is if you can keep one together long enough LMAO....

If I had ANY doubts about this product I wouldn't be so positive about what it will provide and sure wouldn't take the chance of a bad rep in open forum....

you know I'm kidding ....
 

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Just throwing some ideas out there on what legit concerns exist with oil. I have seen this test abused for snake oil, but, it's not my main concern for oil. The only true oil failures I have experienced have been from high heat ruining the oil and high heat combined with biodiesel contamination. Heat the oil sample up to 300 degrees and see how it holds up. (My former Trailblazer SS would hit this ECM calculated oil temp without towing on grades.) The Mobil 1 frying pan test comes to mind although a visual only: how well is the oil holding up at the top of the grade when it's 121 degrees out? Then when the towing's done how is the oil pressure with an additional 15 min of idle, AC on high, while kicking the trailer off?
All reasons why aftermarket has provided methods to cool down fluids to acceptable ranges and provided great filtering & bypass filtering too.

Today, synthetic oils/lubes far surpass Dino Oils in operating range add a Nano Tungsten disulfide/fullerene package and film strength hits 300k+- psi as it bonds to all bearing surfaces the temperture range also is far beyond any other lube known to man..
 

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I was surprised at the poor performance of Amsoil.

Can somebody post the Reader's Digest Condensed version of the results?

My take = Triodine is the best.

Can't get much more condensed than that.

But it did take me a long time to download and open it. We have painfully slow service and this old computer doesn't help a thing. I have to much stuff on here, but I don't know how or what needs to go.

A little overview would help people that have trouble with downloads


I tried to scan what I have and post it here but the files are toooooo large and the site won't accept it...

I will take the time to copy & past what I can and put it in a new thread for those that can't get to it any other way.

@jrsavoie if you want I would be happy to scan all the data I have and snail mail it to you... just pm me a address... and that goes for anyone else that wants a hard copy, and their is a lot if data to back this product up.
 
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