How many shims......?

[doughboy18718]

How many shims, if any, does the starter need to ensure it doesn't grind the teeth of the flywheel?

I am currrently in the process of replacing the flywheel because of this same issue, and don't want to go through this hellacious ordeal again!

Thanks guys!

 

[DEERE3594]

Depends on the starter.. some need them and some dont. I always go by how it sounds.. Im no help

 

[vail426]

Depends on the starter.. some need them and some dont. I always go by how it sounds.. Im no help

Sure you are :iagree:

 

[Brooklyn Tow]

I "thought" general rule was that these starters "did not" need shims?

 

[jamierayo]

I've changed a few 6.2/6.5 starters & every one of them was marked "no shim" on the starter. I too go by how it sounds & I never heard one grind.

 

[Brooklyn Tow]

I've changed a few 6.2/6.5 starters & every one of them was marked "no shim" on the starter. I too go by how it sounds & I never heard one grind.

Maybe the "El Cheapo" starters have a problem lining up do to "El Cheapo" product......I would think any quality starter would not need shims. JMO

Just replaced mine with a Delco and no shims.


Question...when the starter bolts break/snap due to no front bracket, is it because of the weight of the starter or is it the torque from engagment?

 

[94K30]

Maybe the "El Cheapo" starters have a problem lining up do to "El Cheapo" product......I would think any quality starter would not need shims. JMO

Just replaced mine with a Delco and no shims.


Question...when the starter bolts break/snap due to no front bracket, is it because of the weight of the starter or is it the torque from engagment?

the torque of the starter motor,
I too replaced mine, (Bosch rebuild) and no shims....

 

[just a number]

No shims here. I think I"m on my 4th rebuild.:mad2:. IIRC the old (looks who's talking) had to be shimmed. Clearances need to be 0.020 +/- 0.005 in. PITA to check. you have to remove to bell housing cover to do it. are the mounting bolts still good? along with the front bracket?

 

[racer55]

The way I check for starter engagemant if I think I have a problem is to extend the starter drive to make contact with the ring gear and try to fit the end of a paperclip between the top of the drive gear and the bottom of the ring gear where they mesh- the paperclip diameter is approxamatly the proper clearance.

Like mentioned it is tough to check .

 

[bison]

Are you sure you got the correct flywheel/flexplate??
Gassers ring gears aparently are a wee bit bigger than the diesels.

 

[Steve93mustanglx]

no shims here. Replaced last August.

 

[WarWagon]

Are you sure you got the correct flywheel/flexplate??
Gassers ring gears aparently are a wee bit bigger than the diesels.

Gasser flex plates have a different tooth count and will flat break the starter and throw it clean off the engine.
Diesel 139 Teeth, 10-12 Pitch
Gasser 168 Teeth, 12-14 Pitch

 

[ak diesel driver]

there was a thread awhile back where someone had a gasser flywheel on can't remember what it was doing but it didn't break the starter. seems like it was for a 6.5 gasser the ole 396

 

[DieselSlug]

All the starters ive put on my truck have said "No shim" and trust me, ive been through about 6 starters over the past 5 years.... (No glows for a long time on the ex-powerplant)