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Ether; use it or not, some say yea, some say nay.

Acesneights1 said:
I'm sorry to hear that. Like I said no doubt a bad way to do it. Usually means the rim is damaged if the cheetah won't work. I'm real careful. I usually put on my welding gear and use a long stick to light it.
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Not necessarily a damaged rim.

Had a shop mount a tire on a utility trailer with it. Small tire that had been setting in a bin at Tractor Supply with another tire on top. Caused the casing to deform and couldn't get the bead close to the rim. Little ether, rim jumps a couple feet, put out fire and tire is on.
 
If your engine races away like Matt said definatly too much ether and ether and starting fluid are the same thing. As for mounting tires I have done this before on several different tire sizes. I used it on a 36 x 14.5 x 16.5 tire and it did not jump 2 feet and wasn't a full pressure when done. Don't people have any common sense. At least start small dosage wise and work your way up. If a little is good then alot is better does not apply here.
 
ak diesel driver said:
If your engine races away like Matt said definatly too much ether and ether and starting fluid are the same thing. As for mounting tires I have done this before on several different tire sizes. I used it on a 36 x 14.5 x 16.5 tire and it did not jump 2 feet and wasn't a full pressure when done. Don't people have any common sense. At least start small dosage wise and work your way up. If a little is good then alot is better does not apply here.
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You need substabtially more when you try to mount a 44inch on a 14 inch wide wheel. I have done many and know how much to use. More importantly you need to add air to it but I'd really rather not be explaining this so that someone who shouldn't be doing it sees it and trys it.
 
i saw an older case backhoe that had an ether port on the intake man. ruined two winters ago by someone who didn't know what they were doing with it.

tried to spray and start it alone...i told 'em.

soon it had a hard time starting with ether as well...right up to the point where it seized up for good.

Is there a vintage 6.5 that doesn't have glow plugs? If not, i think this thread should be moved to the 6.2 section since reading this thread makes it seem like that the matter of ether use for 6.5's is "up for debate".

It's not is it? NEVER NEVER USE ETHER WITH GLOW PLUGS. Call a tow truck...it's cheaper, guaranteed.
 
625fireman said:
As a diesel tech i do not promote either, but if used properly it shouldn't hurt the engine.
Correct procedure is as follows....
1. takes two people
2. 1 to crank engine
3. 1 to spray small amount of either WHILE engine is cranking

Biggest problem is most people try it themselves and "load" up the intake then crank engine. If you crank then spray just a snort of either it is evenly dispersed amoungst all cylinders. This goes for either gas or diesel engines. And yes an engine can get HOOKED on either. very addictive.
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Wow, got back and this thread had really opened up, lol.

Fireman, this is the procedure I use every time.

I have used ether on my truck, and still used just glows later on, and it started. My buddy with his 6.2 has done the same. I think this would say that ether will not wipe out your glowplugs, if used correctly.

Have used WD-40 and underarm spray too. :eek: That time was with a truckload of people at the local ski mountain. End of the day, getting real cold fast, and no one else around.

A quick spray changes everything.

Still trying to figure out how a battery booster will help you seat a tire?

We're very fortunate to have a tire mounting machine at the farm, which has seen a lot of use.
 
We all live in different climates. Cold to me is 15-32df. Extremely cold is 0-15.

Cold to those who live way up north is probably -10 - + 32, extremely cold being-10 - -40.

This makes a huge difference as an unplugged engine compressing air only can make so much heat. Ether ignites at around 400df, regular diesel around 800 or so.

On my engine in my climate, when my piston is compressing air, it would probably hit 400 WELL WELL WELL before TDC, meaning the engine in effect is trying to spin backwards.

Perhaps when its -30, hitting 400 is alot closer to to TDC for sure.


If the 'ether defenders' are using ETHER when temps are above 32degrees or so, all 8 of your cylinders have to be firing extremely early, causing trememdous shock to the crank, and in effect trying to 'blast' each piston downward, when the starter is still forcing them upwards via the flywheel.

Probably explains how Aces blew his starter drive.

How can this not be bad for the engine?

Maybe its alot closer to TDC without glowplugs? If it were to ignite AT TDC, or even a tad after (don't see how thats possible as maximum heat would be TDC) i don't see ether doing harm. But forcing piston down, when its trying to go up.... how can you defend that?

BTW, does ether on a rag knock you out like it does in the cartoons? If so I may need to pick up a can or two :)
 
Matt, all good points. So, for those of us who use ether, it is probably vital, that we turn the key to on, and let the glow plugs cycle, and then cool for 15-20 seconds after the cycle.:confused: Might be an idea.

I can't stress enough about using two people to start it. The engine needs to be cranking when sprayed.

Hmm, as for the rag to the face. I have lots of little brothers, need a guinea pig? ):h
 
Non Typical said:
Matt, all good points. So, for those of us who use ether, it is probably vital, that we turn the key to on, and let the glow plugs cycle, and then cool for 15-20 seconds after the cycle.:confused: Might be an idea.

I can't stress enough about using two people to start it. The engine needs to be cranking when sprayed.

Hmm, as for the rag to the face. I have lots of little brothers, need a guinea pig? ):h
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The devil is in the details,No glows "period",before or during ether use
one,1 sec spray at the time pre filter should be enough. You want to help it start,not prevent it.

Judging by the diff comments in this tread,it would be wise to stay away from ether all together,unless one is well versed in its use.
 
FYI, Starting fliud ehh... but pure ether will knock you out very cold. I used to have the pellets which were pure ether. Put that on a rag and out cold you will go. Starting fliud will probably make you just sick. Most starting fliuds nowadays are real watered down. I notice the difference when I use it to do tires. The cheap stuff doesn't do the job but the good stuff, Boom.
 
I would never use ether to start my truck. If it came down to a need to use (ether) it will be time to pull the tool box out and figure out what is really wrong with my truck!

But, I also have the luxury of owning three vehicles. Which helps out greatly when one breaks!
 
DieselCash said:
I would never use ether to start my truck. If it came down to a need to use (ether) it will be time to pull the tool box out and figure out what is really wrong with my truck!

But, I also have the luxury of owning three vehicles. Which helps out greatly when one breaks!
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Good idea, but what you gonna do when the veh your driving at the moment dont want to start on a cold morning out in the campground or where ever you may be.:eek:
 
WD-40 would be the starting fluid of choice for a Diesel engine, but even then, just like with a snoot full of Ether, the first open intake valve will expose the cherry-red glowplug, to which the vapors will react rather violently, flashing back thru the intake, even into the spraying nozzle of the can the 'squirt-starter' is holding, with exceeding disastrous results if the can lights off................
 
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