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DaHoooley, back from the dead as a 6.2 truck. The Phoenix rises

YUP

The fact that the New style 6.2 pan will work in any chassis is a Plus.

I would not use it in an older truck unless I did not have a pan at all.

Hope that the new pan is of good quality and not some P O S

Missy
 
Good to know.

GM has discontinued these.

The last year with all the mess that GM has gone through has seen a lot of parts dropped from the line.

A lot of 6.5 stuff has gone away too.


Missy
 
Missy Good Wench said:
Good to know.

GM has discontinued these.

The last year with all the mess that GM has gone through has seen a lot of parts dropped from the line.

A lot of 6.5 stuff has gone away too.


Missy
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The parts guy told me some stuff may come back when GM starts getting better credit with suppliers but I would not hold my breath. Let us know how the pan is.
 
Nope, not going to even leave the light on. There would be no real reason for GM to stock back up on parts for trucks that have been out of production for over 20 years.

The aftermarket will serve the need.

Lets face it, the demand for a pan for a 20 year old rig has got to be fairly low.

There are loads of them out there, just tough to find when you need one in a specific time frame.

Just the other day I purchased a package of 20 of the little plastic oil pump shaft retainers from the GM store here locally.

You can't buy these at the parts store. They only come with a new oil pump.

I have torn down a lot of 6.2/6.5 engines that have had fine oil pumps that are in perfect shape, just need a new plastic retainer is all.

I would not count on any parts for the older stuff being restocked. 7 years is about the limit on a lot of stuff and then the little crap goes away and the major hard parts are about all that stays on the shelf.

Outfits like LMC and others will fill the need for all the little nic-nacs.

One thing that GM does do is keep a list of companies that have bought up the NOS stuff and can usually check to see if a particular part is available through those sources.

The aftermarket suppliers are better suited to handling the oddball stuff that the Big boys just don't sell much of.

I bought some interior stuff a few years ago from LMC and the stuff was all still in GM packages.

Back about 20 years ago, the local GM warehouse used to PURGE their stock every so often and what was not moving, literally went to the local DUMP.

A couple of us went over to the warehouse and spoke with the manager, and he told us if it was in the HUGE dumpsters out back, that it was fair game after the lights went out at 5PM

OMG we rounded up a couple large U haul triucks and cleaned out the dumpsters.

Took the stuff to mine and a friends places and stored the stuff and then negotiated a deal with a NOS parts buyer.

That worked well until GM got wind of it and then the warehouse did not leave the stuff in the dumpster any more.
That is when they started selling the stuff themselves. WELL DUUUUHHHHHH

GM tossed out millions of $$$$ of parts over many years. All that stuff could have been sold for at least a small cash price.

To say the least, for the few months that we were hauling off the spoils, we made a killing.

All we did was store the stuff, provide the buyers with a list of part numbers and the amount of each and they sent a truck and a CHECK. OMG that was GRAVY

Ahh well, all good things eh ?

Missy
 
Actually up until about say 5-10 yrs ago GM stock ALOT of stuff for long periods of time. For awhile in the late 90's they lowered the price of their sheet metal to compete with after market.
 
Yup
Not no more though.
The cost of maintaining that huge stock of parts for all the old rigs had to been very costly.

They shut the local GM warehouse in portland down completely. Reno is now the closest parts depot to us.

The costs to maintain those warehouses had to be really high..

Heck I was able to buy a lot of 80's stuff back in 2001 and 2002 with no issues.

Now 95 parts are tough to get.

I think that 7 years will see most of the tinker toy crap GONE.

Back in 2001 I bought brand new interior stuff for the 86 Crewcab that we had.
Got a new headliner and all the plastic trim for the interior as well as the aluminum trim that went around the carpet on the floor.

OHH BTW doing a headliner in a cewcab is a PITA ya has to take it in and out the front windshield opening.

I should have never sold that 86 Doooley crewcab.

Got this BUGGGGG in my BUTTTTTTTTTT for another diesel to get better mileage.

Been better off with the old 86.

Maybe when I get the DaHoooley back together I will sell it and buy another old truck.

I really loved the 86.

Ohhhh welll.
 
Yess
The same stuff that came off the 6.5 is going right back on the 6.2.

The only reason I am using the 6.2 is because I have a good block, pistons and crank.

The overall picture will be about the same as with the 6.5.

I doubt that there will be any difference in power.


Missy
 
I spoke with Bill Heath before I made the final decision to use the 6.2 Block.
Bill gave the idea 2 thumbs up.

Really not any reason not to do it. I just wish that the block was a 599 block, I could then use my 6.5 crank and pan on it.

Missy
 
UPDATE

Just got off the phone with Family Car Parts. This is the outfit that I ordered the oil pan from for DaHooooley.

Very Polite converstaion followed as I asked for a tracking number.
Took maybe a total of five minutes on the phone.

Checked the tracking with UPS and the pan is scheduled to be delivered today.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSs , now if its a quality part I will be quite pleased.

Will let Y'all know what shakes out.

This weekend was big truck weekend and I had to get some much needed work done on the trailer.

Took most of the weekend wrenching on that beast to get her ready for the road this week.

Some busted lug studs (2) the two rear most spring equalizers, some new bolts and wear plates back there too and then a new drag chain on the top. (loads the box off the trailer into the truck) The chain was worn to the point that the adjustment was all gone.

Always something on these things.

Later

Missy
 
I know what ya mean.

Well I hate working on the rigs I need to use for transportation.

If its simply a TOY then if it has to sit a while, thats ok.

I dont like having only two rigs available. All of our rigs are older stuff and could give issue at any time ???????????/

When there is a third rig sitting there, I at least feel comfortable.

Missy
 
OK here is the latest a greatest of the usual mess when it comes to buying parts.

Git the new pan in the other day. No Joy at all. what a POS I sat it on the block with the rear main rubber seal in place, installed a few bolts and you could toss a cat through the area around the seal.

No it was not a 6.5 pan, just a POS.

OK I spent an hour screwing around working over the rear arch on the pan so it fit tight against the rubber but am still not ahppy with it.

Likely trade it off later or ???

Called around and placed an ad on craigs.

OH Joy a fellow from an engine rebuilder locally had a good used pan of the type needed.

Went to get it and its not only clean but freshly painted too.

Get it home, NO JOY, its a 6.5 pan.

Called the fellow up and explained the situation. He is very appologetic and says he will check his stock and call back. Less than an hour later I get a call, he has the pan I need.

*** I had explained to him that the 6.2 with two piece seal uses a pan with the arch thats 2-1/2 inches down from the pan rails in the center. The 6.5 pans are 2-7/8" down *****

He offers to meet me much closer to my place as he lives only 10 miles from me. This saved me a 50 mile round trip repeat of the other day.

We meet and he has a beauty of a 6.2 pan thats clean as a whistle and staight too.

Get it home and JOY AT LAST. Fits great and is just what the DOC ordered.

Squeezed in all the right places with all the proper notches and angles to fit in the rig.

******************* WARNING********************

These pans look identical and can't be identified unless you measure the arch in the rear.

6.2 with two piece rear main 2-1/2 inches from the pan rail to the top of the arch
Late 6.2 and all 6.5 engines 2-7/8 inches from the pan rail to the top of the arch

Easy to check with a tape measure and a 12 inch straight edge (blade from a tri square)

So with this PITA behind me now, I can get to work assembling this BEOTCH.

Last weekend was big rig weekend but this weekend is going to be nasty outside so its DaHoooley build time.

Missy
 
I just plain lucked out then Missy. My 660 6.2 block was new enough that it had the 2 piece rear, but the newer pan and an oil port for the turbo charger. What a goofy world we all run around in. Sometimes I think a Honda Civic would be a bunch easier!

I did the same thing, called Bill Heath. He said, "go for it, I prefer the 6.2 bottom."
 
Yesss the later blocks did start showing up with various changes due to changes in the tooling that took place.

The fact that the Burbs, Blazers and the crew cabs were retaining the styling of the older trucks until 1991 production ended made a difference.

The parts had to be usable across the lineup without issues.

The fact that your engine had a two piece main, the later pan and an oil port does point to the changes that took place.

I have not seen a 660 block with the turbo oil supply up front. I have seen the later 599 6.2 blocks that have all the same stuff as the 6.5 engines on the same casting.

All this stuff is simply due to the running changes GM made to the product lines.

Interestingly, the older style trucks never received the serp belt setup.

I am supprised as this stuff would all fit and work. I dont understand why they retained the V belt drive on these trucks all the way to the end in 91.

I have a serp setup thats going on my Blazer project. The only real difference is the need to change the AC compressor lines, and the ones from the later classics with a 350 engine will fit perfectly as the compressor is in the same place, just a tiny bit closer to the fender, as the 6.2 is a bit wider.

GM did make some wierd choices along the way here.


Missy
 
UPDATE

Bad news strikes again

The 6.2 block has a crack in the number 8 cylinder.

Got to work this morning on the sucker, getting soft plugs and such installed and then went to work wipping out the cylinders and readying the thing for the cam and crank.

Looked the cylinders over after I wiped them out. The shop honed them lightly before they washed it the last time.

I spotted this funny rusty line across the lower quadrant of the number 8 hole.

Got after it with a high intensity light and sure enough, the Beotch is cracked.

$250 into the decking and such and now its a door stop.

Damn, I am getting real tired of this pouring $$$$ into junk iron.

Going to snoop around tomorrow and see if I can scare up some Iron thats good.

Really bummed out on this one.

This was the last hope as I am out of Blocks at this point.
I do have the engine thats in the 87 Burb but thats just too much work to tear into it to see if its good to build.

Missy sits sulking in the corner.

MGW
 
I would just send that block back to the machine shop and get it sleeved,as long as the main webs are in good shape you should be fine with a sleeve to continue with what you have.
 
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