M123KT-450 oil preference thread

[M123KT-450]

AMSOIL Boosts CJ-4 Diesel Oil Offering:


AMSOIL has reformulated its Premium API CJ-4 Synthetic 5W-40 Diesel Oil (DEO). In addition, AMSOIL now offers a new 15W-40 Premium API CJ-4 Synthetic Diesel Oil (DME). These exceptional diesel oils provide a level of protection afforded only by a truly high-quality synthetic oil – and do so over drain intervals of three times the OEM recommended drain interval. They are the premium choice for API CJ-4 emission-compliant diesel oil required by model-year 2007 and newer diesel engines. Formulated for vehicles fitted with exhaust treatment devices, DEO and DME are also backwards compatible, offering maximum protection to all diesel applications

We've been using DEO in our trucks (signature) for a while now. Is there any reason to go to the new 15W-40? We liked the better cold start lubricity that the 5W-40 offered...

I don't know the SAE60 I been using Starts and flows just fine in the cold weather we have. . .10-20*F with a few weeks of -10-20*F. . .My 6.5 Truck fired right up. . .Built pressure nice and quick I do believe the SAE60 is flowible or rather pourible till -33-36*F If it got that cold or below you got more issues then oil flowage. . .

Mikey

 

[Pepperidge]

I don't know the SAE60 I been using Starts and flows just fine in the cold weather we have. . .10-20*F with a few weeks of -10-20*F. . .My 6.5 Truck fired right up. . .Built pressure nice and quick I do believe the SAE60 is flowible or rather pourible till -33-36*F If it got that cold or below you got more issues then oil flowage. . .

Mikey

Mikey,

Did your post have a point...I don't think you have a clue on the properties of oil...why don't you spend the time and investigate things before you make such claims...What does your post have to do with the original posters intent?

sorry for being harsh, but I see this in all of your posts...You have no respect for anyone here that posts factual information for the general good of the forum and no respect for the knowledge and abilities of anyone who tries to help you...Think about it.

have a great day,

Pepp

 

[M123KT-450]

I guess it didn't really me a damn think !

But I'd never run that thin stuff in my truck !

Cut n dried plain n simple !

The 60W hasn't given me a drop of trouble !

Mikey

 

[Pepperidge]

Mikey,

I still don't understand the point of your post.

Ashton is a lube specialist and his knowledge on the properties of such far exceed what you know...OK you like your 60wt...we get it...but your post still has nothing to do with the announcement of a new oil designed for the 2007 and newer diesel engines...your constant bashing of true knowledge in an informational post isn't representative of much, except that you like to read what you post...it served no other purpose... period!

maybe you can take something from this discussion and learn from it...

Hope this helps,

Pepp



Ashton: I apologize for your informational thread being taken way off topic...if you'd like, we can either delete or move the unnecessary posts to a more appropriate thread

 

[M123KT-450]

He is an Amsoil dealer such as myself !


And rightly dose not have anymore information then I.

But go right ahead start the thread over and ill see if I learn some thing new !

Mikey

 

[Pepperidge]

While you may also be a seller...do you have hands on real world knowledge of sampling and testing Fuels and lubricants for the US govt?
It's highly doubtful you do

Ashton(Wrecker) does!

...just like you have no real world knowledge of the 6.5 other than owning one...yet everyone that tries to help you is wrong in your eyes...guys with many years of experience testing and helping others fix their trucks the right way...

you just don't get it...

I am going to move the off topic posts into their own thread where you can talk all you want about what oils you use and your reason behind doing so...but I'm not going to let you take an informative thread and turn it into an all about Mikey thread...end of discussion.

Note: Be forewarned... If you want respect from the members here who are more than willing to share their knowledge and help with you...you need to start by showing them some respect first... words of advice to live by.

 

[M123KT-450]

My point is i have ran both the 5w-40 and the 15w-40 against the SAE60. . .

The 60WT out performed them both. with SAE60 my engines run better oil pressure ran cooler water n oil temps. they consumed little to no oil as well as little leakage. . .

I also noticed it Lasted to much longer serivce intervals with out thinning out .
I have been getting long Life spans from the Motors with less Break downs.

I'm not saying the 5w-40 or 15w-40 or SAE 30 Diesel oils are bad oils no most certainly not. . .I am just for the trucks i have and have had and the conditions they arn under this particular oil the SAE60 AMSOIL has been the best performing oil i have tried many brands and weights. . .

Mikey

 

[RI Chevy Silveradoman]

SAE 60??? Better than 5W40 and 15W40. I don't think so.

:bs2: :thinking:

Sorry, but I would have to throw the BS Flag on this one. If SAE 60 was that good, many people, including the manufacturers would be recommending it, and this is the first I have ever heard of anyone recommending it. Just my humble opinion. You would have to show me UOA's for longterm use to get me to believe that. And the SAE60 flowing good in temps that cold????? C'mon now Mikey, We were not born yesterday.

 

[Mad Maxx]

 

[buddy]

Wow, any more unsupported criticism of a man's personal observations?

 

[M123KT-450]

I don't really care what you believe. . personally it means nothing to me. . .
Installed the guages and ran the different oils and watched how they responded to the different types and weights of oil. . .According to the findings the SAE60 was out performing the Recommended oils for each vehicle it was also out performing the oils i was currently using at the time and has continued to outperform them for 10 years in Row now. . .It's not lke i am asking you or telling to go and pour this oil into your vehicles, But i will continue to run them in mine until i have an issue from doing so. . .

Now the above digs n chops that are posted above there is no different then my digs and chops on the GM 6.5's ! Which was mainly started doing because of such digs n chops. . .So i don't want to hear another complaint if so choose to Crip that motor shred's Got it ?

You all have a lovely day. . .
Mikey

 

[RI Chevy Silveradoman]

Oils

Wow, any more unsupported criticism of a man's personal observations?

You can call it unsupported criticism if you like. I also have my own personal knowledge and observations of SAE60 oil. I won't be using it anytime soon.

I don't really care what you believe. . personally it means nothing to me. . .
Installed the guages and ran the different oils and watched how they responded to the different types and weights of oil. . .According to the findings the SAE60 was out performing the Recommended oils for each vehicle it was also out performing the oils i was currently using at the time and has continued to outperform them for 10 years in Row now. . .It's not lke i am asking you or telling to go and pour this oil into your vehicles, But i will continue to run them in mine until i have an issue from doing so. . .

Now the above digs n chops that are posted above there is no different then my digs and chops on the GM 6.5's ! Which was mainly started doing because of such digs n chops. . .So i don't want to hear another complaint if so choose to Crip that motor shred's Got it ?

You all have a lovely day. . .
Mikey

Mikey, you can do what you wish to your vehicles. We all respect that. Can you explain a little more to what you mean by "outperforming." I think there is more to oil that just building pressure, and flowing. Oil that thick will put extra pressure on the internals at startup when it is extremely cold out, as you described. Thus the newer oils being 5W40 synthetic, and 15W40. They flow and lubricate better when cold and at startup. Oil also needs to clean the internals of an engine by suspending the particles and carrying them to the filter. I am just trying to better understand what you mean by "outperforming," and asking if you had proof from the UOA's. Many on here have great results from using the newer oils, and can prove the results through Oil Analysis. The UOA's back up our personal observations through science. That is all I am saying.

 

[Wrecker]

He is an Amsoil dealer such as myself !


And rightly dose not have anymore information then I.

But go right ahead start the thread over and ill see if I learn some thing new !

Mikey

I am an Amsoil dealer, true. The information available to me is not limited to advertisements or claims from any individual oil company. I will defend my opinions and recommendations to anyone who has a differing opinion and has valid points to back them up. I will tell you I don't know when I don't, and I'll admit I'm wrong when I am.

I am not qualified to judge your information "dosage" or your lithium dosage for that matter; and therefore do not believe you are in a position to challenge my credentials or knowledge level. Without discussing Langmuir-Blodgett films and other hydrodynamic lubrication theory, I can't verify the qualifications of another individual, how can you?.

It will get very boring very quickly if this turns into a 401 level lubrication theory discussion. It will continue to be even more boring with comments like

I guess it didn't really me a damn think !

But I'd never run that thin stuff in my truck !

Cut n dried plain n simple !

 

[buddy]

It seems the original point that was apparantly lost on some was just to say that his oil does fine in cold weather. Since someone was asking if it would be an issue moving to a heavier weight when they were using lower weight for cold starts.

The part where he criticized someone must be in another thread.

 

[Pepperidge]

Wrong....actually no one asked how a straight 60 weight did in cold weather if you want to get technical...the question referenced 15w40...

and as far as the criticism your wrong again...for Mikey to say "He is an Amsoil dealer such as myself ! And rightly dose not have anymore information then I."

Assuming(and posting) that Wrecker has such a limited knowledge as himself(Mikey)is a direct attack to try to minmize Ashton's knowledge down to his level to make his argument seem just as valid as Ashtons...When Ashton has far more knowledge on the subject...

Anyway the question was directed to Ashton as it was his informational thread...and for someone with limited knowledge other than personal preference and an Amsoil catalog to sell with to try and derail a thread was just not gonna fly...he didn't even try to back up his personal preference with scientific data...so it didn't belong in an informational thread period... much less try to discredit the original posters credentials...seems you are just here to stir the pot once again Buddy.

 

[buddy]

Thanks for telling me what I am here to do.

You can personally interpret that as an attack on someone, and you can jump in and defend people if thats what you do, but it seems you provoked that response and has nothing to do with the original post. And can you understand how using SAE60 in cold weather can be used as help in determining if 15W-40 will be OK.

I have a manual and you have a manual, we have the same information. You might have more knowledge on a subject, but we have the same information available, but you can interpret it any way you want.

Whos stirring the pot in this thread? Seems mods have their mind made up from the get go and are doing all the stirring. I'm simply trying to point that out to you, that maybe you could try to see things in a different perspective, because I notice this of all your threads, as you said to Mike.

Anyone could have just responded plain and simple the manufacturer of SAE60 recommends not using it in cold temperatures as an actual reference. Or maybe you could ask anyone else for their personal experience with it. Mike has presented personal experience and deduction and some favorable specs of his oil choice, and I see nothing wrong with it or where he pressured anyone else to do the same or criticized anyone else's choice of oil.

 

[Pepperidge]

Thanks for telling me what I am here to do.

You can personally interpret that as an attack on someone, and you can jump in and defend people if thats what you do, but it seems you provoked that response and has nothing to do with the original post. And can you understand how using SAE60 in cold weather can be used as help in determining if 15W-40 will be OK.

I have a manual and you have a manual, we have the same information. You might have more knowledge on a subject, but we have the same information available, but you can interpret it any way you want.

Whos stirring the pot in this thread? Seems mods have their mind made up from the get go and are doing all the stirring. I'm simply trying to point that out to you, that maybe you could try to see things in a different perspective, because I notice this of all your threads, as you said to Mike.

Anyone could have just responded plain and simple the manufacturer of SAE60 recommends not using it in cold temperatures as an actual reference. Or maybe you could ask anyone else for their personal experience with it. Mike has presented personal experience and deduction and some favorable specs of his oil choice, and I see nothing wrong with it or where he pressured anyone else to do the same or criticized anyone else's choice of oil.

take your line of thinking back to the original thread and it's intent...therein lies your answer...a question was asked of the original poster not Mikey...it was based purely on the new oil mentioned...It was not intended to be a discussion on the properties of 60w oil and why someone uses them...that's why this thread was started/broken off...it's off topic...you and mikey can have your off topic discussion of 60w here all you want...
regardless of how you interpret the events and how they transpired...your wrong...his post did not belong there period...that being said...it is a matter of decorum in these forums that you don't take someones informational thread and take it way off topic... This is the last I'll say on this...it's done! anything else you'd like to add, take it to PM's

 

[M123KT-450]

yea i can see your piont with the cold weather start up. . .but the shell 15w-40 is pourible still -40*F the Amsoil SAE60 is pourible -33*F the weather dose really drop much below -20*f around even -20 is rather a rare thing so in my usage and climate the SAE60 synthetic works just fine. . .

My manual states the operating OIL PSI for the 6.5-T should be 60psi with the 15w-40 it was only 45psi running down the high way n 35psi at idle now with the SAE60 in runs 62psi highway-58psi Hot at idle instead of 35-45psi. . .

My water temp with the shell 15w-40 was 210*F with the SAE60 its only 185-187*F. . .

now thats just my observation on the 6.5-T i have also seen the same effects other engine i am currently running this oil.

So multiple engines same results lead me to believe that my OIL choice for the engines i was running was ideal for the conditions. . .

It works for me i didn't say it would work for YOU !

Mikey

 

[ak diesel driver]

Too much oil pressure is not necessarily good either. Besides it takes more power to pump thicker oil at higher psi. Racing experts that I've read seem to think 10psi per 1000 rpm is adequate.

 

[buddy]

Would that be gasser racers that run 6000rpm? Gassers and diesels would be treated a little different in that respect.

I wouldnt say that you have to follow the manual, but if it keeps the truck cooler and you dont consume oil thats a plus.