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Hydrogen

I'm not gonna lie, I'm tempted to try it, but I don't think benifits will be that great, even using all 3 generators, especially when you consider how much air our diesels eat, the ratio of o2 to H will be sky high.
 
Well I will post results when mine is put in. One of the guys I work with is making them and I will be a test subject for him for the "diesel market". I know mine is not a 6.5 but I hope the results will work for most of us.. Except you LLY/LMM guys to many sensors and emissions stuff...
 
minisub said:
Pure and simple thermodynamic Snake Oil.

IMHO, YMMV, YYY....
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You got that right!

It takes a lot of energy to break down water from H2O into H2 + O2. Once you figure that energy requirement, you will be WAY NEGATIVE in any gains you might expect to get.

Sorry, but NO FREE LUNCH here!
 
I was gonna mention that senior year physics kept chiming in that it's physically impossible to gain anything, but oh well.
 
I know there is a lot info about this. I am free test subject on this to see what it can do. I know of a few people with these units on and there are some gains in MPG...
 
It would be snake oil if you were going to be using the Hydrogen produced as a fuel replacement... as a combustion catalyst, however, the equation is markedly different.

Reducing the activation energy of the thermodynamic event can get you to a cleaner, more complete burn, and that can net some measurable gains in efficiency, with relatively little input, energy-wise.

I prefer to suspend judgment until somebody tries it out and gathers some quantifiable data with a 6.5TD...

After all, propane is a relatively low-heat gas and shouldn't yield big efficiencies used as a fumigation agent, either, but it does, in a direct-injection environment. The amount of stress the system will put on the alternator is relatively little, all things considered - in this day and age of high-power stereos and subs - and so I think it's worth a try.

There's a company in Ontario, called Hy-Drive Technologies, that has been marketing a larger unit for trucks and busses for 3 years, with some fairly credible data. If GM had all the damn answers, we wouldn't have PMD issues, TD and Slim wouldn't be building a better turbo, and a spring on your wastegate wouldn't be necessary.

Please report back what you find out, Clark!
 
I think it's important to remember that this is a supplemental fuel supply to enhance burn as opposed to an alternative supply. Because the hydrogens and oxygen are being converted from a small volume of liquid to a massive quantity of gas, the energy needed is not very much.
I have to admit I am interested but still not convinced. Guess the proof will be in the pudding. I commend Clark20ry for giving it a shake. Please keep us posted...
I would give the HOH concept more credence than something like the "Magnatizer" the NAPAs' are selling up here!
 
JiFaire said:
It would be snake oil if you were going to be using the Hydrogen produced as a fuel replacement... as a combustion catalyst, however, the equation is markedly different........

............. If GM had all the damn answers, we wouldn't have PMD issues, TD and Slim wouldn't be building a better turbo, and a spring on your wastegate wouldn't be necessary.

Please report back what you find out, Clark!
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Well put Jim!! :yesnod:
 
JiFaire said:
It would be snake oil if you were going to be using the Hydrogen produced as a fuel replacement... as a combustion catalyst, however, the equation is markedly different.
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Conceded.

JiFaire said:
Please report back what you find out, Clark!
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Yes, please do. I am curious.

But be sure to have immaculate records, this interwebby thing has sharp edges...:)
 
this is turning is a very interesting subject. I gotta admit what happens it the middle of winter before everything warms up or completely freezes? I mean you are starting out with pure water. can't wait for the results though.
 
just a number said:
this is turning is a very interesting subject. I gotta admit what happens it the middle of winter before everything warms up or completely freezes? I mean you are starting out with pure water. can't wait for the results though.
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The only problem with that is in Phoenix it don't get very cold... :sad: well for me atleast. You people that actually have weather might be a different story.

This setup is a 3 unit canister mounted in front of the radiator. It does have an on and off switch. What is taking so long right now is a controller currently being designed and built to adjust amperage for consumption and a potentiometer in the cab to adjust output for variable needs in driving... I can't wait. I will give this info to you know so It won't look like I am cooking my numbers. I get around 17-18 mpg mixed driving in town. I am not sure about highway road trips I know I get well over 20 mpg I need to get a solid number on that one...
 
Clark20ry said:
The only problem with that is in Phoenix it don't get very cold... :sad: well for me atleast. You people that actually have weather might be a different story.
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I didn't even look where you were from. I hope that it doesn't freeze down there or we're all in trouble:yikes:
 
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right up there with "hell freezing over"... I played baseball down in Phoenix one fall... ugh ... 108* every day. Was a balmy 62* when we flew out of Calgary. Thought I was gonna die...
 
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