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Do a wire size check.
How big of a wire do you need to carry 100 amps of 12 volt?
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Wire Sizing and Ampacities Charts
12 Volt 2% Wire Loss Chart
Maximum distance one-way in feet of various gauge two conductor copper wire from power source to load for 2% voltage drop in a 12 volt system. You can go twice the distance where a 4% loss is acceptable. Do not exceed the 2% drop for wire between PV modules and batteries. A 4 to 5% loss is acceptable between batteries and lighting circuits in most cases. Multiply distances by 2 for 24 volts and by 4 for 48 volts.
2% Voltage Drop Chart
Amps #14 #12 #10 #8 #6 #4 #2 #1/0 #2/0 #4/0
1 45 70 115 180 290 456 720 . . .
2 22.5 35 57.5 90 145 228 360 580 720 1060
4 10 17.5 27.5 45 72.5 114 180 290 360 580
6 7.5 12 17.5 30 47.5 75 120 193 243 380
8 5.5 8.5 11.5 22.5 35.5 57 90 145 180 290
10 4.5 7 11.5 18 28.5 45.5 72.5 115 145 230
15 3 4.5 7 12 19 30 48 76.5 96 150
20 2 3.5 5.5 9 14.5 22.5 36 57.5 72.5 116
25 1.8 2.8 4.5 7 11.5 18 29 46 58 92
30 1.5 2.4 3.5 6 9.5 15 24 38.5 48.5 77
40 . . 2.8 4.5 7 11.5 18 29 36 56
50 . . 2.3 3.6 5.5 9 14.5 23 29 46
100 . . . . 2.9 4.6 7.2 11.5 14.5 23
150 . . . . . . 4.8 7.7 9.7 15
200 . . . . . . 3.6 5.8 7.3 11
Maximum Ampacities for Wire
Allowable ampacities of conductors (wires) in conduit, raceway, cable or directly buried, based on ambient temperature of 86� F (30� C). NEC allows rounding up cable ampacity to the next size standard fuse or breaker.
Maximum Ampacity for Copper
and Aluminum Wire
Wire Size Copper Aluminum
167� F (75� C) 194� F (90� C) 167� F (75� C) 194� F (90� C)
*14 20 25 .
*12 25 30 20 25
*10 35 40 30 35
8 50 55 40 45
6 65 75 50 60
4 85 95 65 75
2 115 130 90 100
1 130 150 100 115
1/0 150 170 120 135
2/0 175 195 135 150
3/0 200 225 155 175
4/0 230 260 180 205
* The national electric code (NEC) specifies that the overcurrent protection device not exceed 30A for 10 AGW wire, 20A for 12 AGW wire and 15A for 14 AWG wire.
Properly sized wire can make the difference between inadequate and full charging of a battery system, between dim and bright lights, and between feeble and full performance of tools and appliances. Designers of low voltage power circuits are often unaware of the implications of voltage drop and wire size. In conventional home electrical systems (120/240 volts ac), wire is sized primarily for safe amperage carrying capacity (ampacity). The overriding concern is fire safety. In low voltage systems (12, 24, 48VDC) the overriding concern is power loss. Wire must not be sized merely for the ampacity, because there is less tolerance for voltage drop (except for very short runs). For example, a 1V drop from 12V causes 10 times the power loss of 1V drop from 120V. Use the following chart as your primary tool in solving wire sizing problems. It replaces many pages of older sizing charts. You can apply it to any working voltage, at any percent voltage drop.
Determining tolerable voltage drop for various electrical loads
A general rule is to size the wire for approximately 2 or 3% drop at typical load. When that turns out to be very expensive, consider some of the following advice. Different electrical circuits have different tolerances for voltage drop. LIGHTING CIRCUITS, INCANDESCENT AND QUARTZ HALOGEN (QH): Don't cheat on these! A 5% voltage drop causes an approximate 10% loss in light output. This is because the bulb not only receives less power, but the cooler filament drops from white-hot towards red-hot, emitting much less visible light. LIGHTING CIRCUITS, FLUORESCENT: Voltage drop causes a nearly proportional drop in light output. Flourescents use 1/2 to 1/3 the current of incandescent or QH bulbs for the same light output, so they can use smaller wire. We advocate use of quality fluorescent lights. Buzz, flicker and poor color rendition are eliminated in most of today's compact fluorescents, electronic ballasts and warm or full spectrum tubes. Use them to illuminate your office so that customers can see them. (An excellent source is W.W. Grainger, listed in your local phone book, or www.grainger.com. Get an account with them!) DC MOTORS may be used in renewable energy systems, especially for water pumps. They operate at 10-50% higher efficiencies than AC motors, and eliminate the costs and losses associated with inverters. DC motors do NOT have excessive power surge demands when starting, unlike AC induction motors. Voltage drop during the starting surge simply results in a "soft start". AC INDUCTION MOTORS are commonly found in large power tools, appliances and well pumps. They exhibit very high surge demands when starting. Significant voltage drop in these circuits may cause failure to start and possible motor damage. Follow the National Electrical Code. In the case of a well pump, follow the manufacturer's instructions. PV-DIRECT SOLAR WATER PUMP circuits should be sized not for the nominal voltage (ie. 24V) but for the actual working voltage (in that case approximately 34V). Without a battery to hold the voltage down, the working voltage will be around the peak power point voltage of the PV array. PV BATTERY CHARGING CIRCUITS are critical because voltage drop can cause a disproportionate loss of charge current. To charge a battery, a generating device must apply a higher voltage than already exists within the battery. That's why most PV modules are made for 16-18V peak power point. A voltage drop greater than 5% will reduce this necessary voltage difference, and can reduce charge current to the battery by a much greater percentage. Our general recommendation here is to size for a 2-3% voltage drop. If you think that the PV array may be expanded in the future, size the wire for future expansion. Your customer will appreciate that when it comes time to add to the array. WIND GENERATOR CIRCUITS: At most locations, a wind generator produces its full rated current only during occasional windstorms or gusts. If wire sized for low loss is large and very expensive, you may consider sizing for a voltage drop as high as 10% at the rated current. That loss will only occur occasionally, when energy is most abundant. Consult the wind system's instruction manual.
More techniques for cost reduction
ALUMINUM WIRE may be more economical than copper for some main lines. Power companies use it because it is cheaper than copper and lighter in weight, even though a larger size must be used. It is safe when installed to code with AL-rated terminals. You may wish to consider it for long, expensive runs of #2 or larger. The cost difference fluctuates with the metals market. It is stiff and hard to bend, and not rated for submersible pumps. HIGH VOLTAGE PV MODULES: Consider using higher voltage modules (18+ volts peak power point, like our BP-585 and BP-590) to compensate for excessive voltage drop. In some cases of long distance, the increased module cost may be lower than the cost of larger wire. SOLAR TRACKING: Use a solar tracker (by Zomeworks) so that a smaller array can be used, particularly in high summer-use situations (tracking gains the most energy in summer when the sun takes the longest arc through the sky). The smaller PV array will require smaller wire. WATER WELL PUMPS: Consider a slow-pumping, low power system with a storage tank to accumulate water. This reduces both wire and pipe sizes where long lifts or runs are involved. A PV array-direct pumping system may eliminate a long wire run by using a separate PV array located close to the pump. Our SunRise Submersible, Solar Slowpump, Flowlight Booster Pump and Solar Force Piston Pump are highly efficient DC pumps that are available up to 48V. We also make AC versions and converters to allow use of AC transmitted over great distances. These pumps draw less running current, and far less starting current than conventional AC pumps, thus greatly reducing wire size requirements.
