Randy_the_Hack
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OK guys... don't know about you, but this is one subject that's on 24/7 right now. What do you think? Do you support the President's healthcare reform?
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(08/17/09) Do you support the President's healthcare reform?
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dangerousdave
1994 6.5 Suburban
Besides all the lies he and his cronies tell about it, it's evil.
How about a paralel survey of our northern neighbors, and any other country that live with socialised medicine?
How about a paralel survey of our northern neighbors, and any other country that live with socialised medicine?
- Staff
- #3
'Socialized medicine'... I like that. makes us sound all commie and all...
Just what do you guys think your medical insurance is, anyway, if not 'socialism'? Everybody pays in and hopes that they don't need to use it. If more people use it than what the insurer thought, or if costs go up, then rates rise. The only difference between private insurance and public insurance is that private insurance must make a profit margin, so the rates are automatically a little higher, all other things being equal. Private insurance is all paid on the bill, and a portion of public insurance is paid through income taxes. Like the FRAM guys say, 'pay me now, or pay me later'.
I dunno, guys. I listen to all the Bee Ess that is getting slung around down there by politicians, lobbyists, bought-and-paid-for celebrities, and the insurance and drug companies, and it's no wonder you are having nightmares over this.
I've never heard so many lies, half-truths, and plain horse-hockey in my life.
Somebody down there has something to gain, every time there is another big statement made. I'm just not sure who is who anymore. I watched one of your congressmen (can't recall his name) the other day, saying that he knows for a fact that women in Canada who get breast or ovarian cancer wait for over 6 months to get into treatment programs. BS... friend of mine got right in, just last June.
Another one, a doctor in some state senate, said that old people in Canada couldn't get cataract surgery. More BS. My Mom had both eyes done in early July.
When confronted, these types always say 'well, there are other documented cases', but they can't really cite one.
Meanwhile, the drug companies or the insurance companies just pay another mouthpiece under the table... you can bet whenever somebody is lying that much with no shame at all, somebody is getting rich. Yay capitalism. We even sell our integrity to the highest bidder.
AAARRGGHH
That being said, our system is not perfect. Neither is yours. Anybody who says otherwise is lying their arse off.
If the liars and those hoping to profit from this would shut up, you guys have a chance, a window of opportunity, while the public is paying attention to this, to build something better than either of us have now - better, cheaper, more fair and equitable.
But it ain't gonna happen... there is too much money riding on preserving the status quo, and too little outrage that some few are getting filthy rich off the rest of you.
So I respectfully decline to judge whether your reforms are good or bad... history will have that task.
FWIW, here is CNN's Rick Sanchez, talking to our former Canadian Healthcare minister, Ujjal Dosanjh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XWZBrg91Ik
Sanchez about McConnel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOX82-E3ZZw
Sanchez really likes his own voice. What is it about guys like that ?
Just what do you guys think your medical insurance is, anyway, if not 'socialism'? Everybody pays in and hopes that they don't need to use it. If more people use it than what the insurer thought, or if costs go up, then rates rise. The only difference between private insurance and public insurance is that private insurance must make a profit margin, so the rates are automatically a little higher, all other things being equal. Private insurance is all paid on the bill, and a portion of public insurance is paid through income taxes. Like the FRAM guys say, 'pay me now, or pay me later'.
I dunno, guys. I listen to all the Bee Ess that is getting slung around down there by politicians, lobbyists, bought-and-paid-for celebrities, and the insurance and drug companies, and it's no wonder you are having nightmares over this.
I've never heard so many lies, half-truths, and plain horse-hockey in my life.
Somebody down there has something to gain, every time there is another big statement made. I'm just not sure who is who anymore. I watched one of your congressmen (can't recall his name) the other day, saying that he knows for a fact that women in Canada who get breast or ovarian cancer wait for over 6 months to get into treatment programs. BS... friend of mine got right in, just last June.
Another one, a doctor in some state senate, said that old people in Canada couldn't get cataract surgery. More BS. My Mom had both eyes done in early July.
When confronted, these types always say 'well, there are other documented cases', but they can't really cite one.
Meanwhile, the drug companies or the insurance companies just pay another mouthpiece under the table... you can bet whenever somebody is lying that much with no shame at all, somebody is getting rich. Yay capitalism. We even sell our integrity to the highest bidder.
AAARRGGHH
That being said, our system is not perfect. Neither is yours. Anybody who says otherwise is lying their arse off.
If the liars and those hoping to profit from this would shut up, you guys have a chance, a window of opportunity, while the public is paying attention to this, to build something better than either of us have now - better, cheaper, more fair and equitable.
But it ain't gonna happen... there is too much money riding on preserving the status quo, and too little outrage that some few are getting filthy rich off the rest of you.
So I respectfully decline to judge whether your reforms are good or bad... history will have that task.
FWIW, here is CNN's Rick Sanchez, talking to our former Canadian Healthcare minister, Ujjal Dosanjh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XWZBrg91Ik
Sanchez about McConnel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOX82-E3ZZw
Sanchez really likes his own voice. What is it about guys like that ?
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scoot
Recruit
agreed you dont really know whats goin on. but from what i think it will flat out kill the health care system in the US and have fun trying to get any sort of help before the problem is past the point of fixin. i know someone that was a neighbor to the north and they said health care down rite sucks. they said that most people would cross over to see a doctor and had insurence that was setup in the us. worst idea, this new health care system.
- Staff
- #5
No! I am also really tired of him hogging the TV. I wish he would just go into hiding.
My daughter works in the health care industry as a PT in Az and she has people that come from Canada to their clinic. And alot more than just one or two. But she cannot give out names because of privacy issues. Maybe that's the reason it's hard to find actual names.
stacks04
McLovin
my healthcare is not socialized medicine. i have the choice to pay or not, i have the choice to add or subtract from my policy, i have the choice to change carriers or not. you folks do not. the only thing i dont have that i want is the option to pick a carrier nationwide. it would drop the prices alot. there are very few requirements here for getting health coverage and it is light years beyond anything canada offers its citizens. the big cry about people not having coverage here is all bs because most of those without it choose to not have it. but if they want it, it is there for the taking.
shortcircut65
LT OFD N-49
aye. also, too expensive? BS!!!!!!!!!! i pay $120 a month for insurance, with dental! $30 co-pay, and the use of the doctor that i know, and he knows me.
granted, i am single, 22 years old, and in good health
but, i would rather pay $120 a month, than who know what a month in extra taxes. and finding the funding from taking out the wast in medicare and medicade? why not do that anyway? why does it have to take having something to pay for, for that to happen?
granted, i am single, 22 years old, and in good health
but, i would rather pay $120 a month, than who know what a month in extra taxes. and finding the funding from taking out the wast in medicare and medicade? why not do that anyway? why does it have to take having something to pay for, for that to happen?
radar1053
Recruit
My employer pays for my insurance and I KNOW I am in a small minority of those where that happens but we have been told that if the bill passes we likely will be dropped because the taxes they will place on our company will not make it worth the effort. Just get a new carrier and currently I have not heard anything said on how it will work just all the gossip on what we can do for you. I know what I got , leave it the HELL ALONE!! because it does work fine for me now
Lancerdually
FILO
JiF, not trying to throw stones, just want to make one point, besides those already made.
How many ILLEGAL immigrants do you guys have? I spent "some" time back and forth to Canada when I was still with the last company I worked for and I don't recall ever hearing of the ILLEGALS problem there, even when I brought it about about what it's like here. I KNOW you have many IMMIGRANTS from India, Saudi, Yema and other places in and around the Middle East, but they been most likely LEGAl immigrants, right?
So my point is this...........what right do they have to what I pay for? Since I will be paying for the government healthcare plan, if it happens.
I could digress but I said ONE point.
Again not throwing stones, you love your country and I love mine. I just want it to be what it once was..........HOME OF THE FREE AND THE BRAVE!
How many ILLEGAL immigrants do you guys have? I spent "some" time back and forth to Canada when I was still with the last company I worked for and I don't recall ever hearing of the ILLEGALS problem there, even when I brought it about about what it's like here. I KNOW you have many IMMIGRANTS from India, Saudi, Yema and other places in and around the Middle East, but they been most likely LEGAl immigrants, right?
So my point is this...........what right do they have to what I pay for? Since I will be paying for the government healthcare plan, if it happens.
I could digress but I said ONE point.
Again not throwing stones, you love your country and I love mine. I just want it to be what it once was..........HOME OF THE FREE AND THE BRAVE!
U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 - they have had 234 years to get it right; it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935 - they have had 74 years to get it right; it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - they have had 71 years to get it right; it is broke.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - They've had 44 years to get it right; they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - they have had 39 years to get it right; it is broke.
Trillions of dollars were spent in the massive political payoffs called TARP, the "Stimulus", the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009... None show any signs of working, although ACORN appears to have found a new b***h, the American taxpayer.
"Cash for Clunkers" was established in 2009 and went broke in 2009! It took cars (that were the best some people could afford) and replaced them with high-priced and less-affordable cars, mostly Japanese. A good percentage of the profits went out of the country. And the American taxpayers take the hit for Congress' generosity in burning three billion more of our dollars on failed experiments.
So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that "services" they shove down our throats are failing faster and faster, they want Americans to believe they can be trusted with a government-run health care system? 20% of our entire economy?
Social Security was established in 1935 - they have had 74 years to get it right; it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - they have had 71 years to get it right; it is broke.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - They've had 44 years to get it right; they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - they have had 39 years to get it right; it is broke.
Trillions of dollars were spent in the massive political payoffs called TARP, the "Stimulus", the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009... None show any signs of working, although ACORN appears to have found a new b***h, the American taxpayer.
"Cash for Clunkers" was established in 2009 and went broke in 2009! It took cars (that were the best some people could afford) and replaced them with high-priced and less-affordable cars, mostly Japanese. A good percentage of the profits went out of the country. And the American taxpayers take the hit for Congress' generosity in burning three billion more of our dollars on failed experiments.
So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that "services" they shove down our throats are failing faster and faster, they want Americans to believe they can be trusted with a government-run health care system? 20% of our entire economy?
SuperTuscan
A(ACLU) # 12
The proposed healthcare plan could be the greatest thing since sliced bread (it's not, but for the sake of argument lets say it is), but that doesn't mean we ought to do it. We have a Constitutuon that's supposed to limit the power of the govt, and until someone shows me the healthcare guarantee passage that says they have the right to intercept the doctor/patient relationship, they can go pound sand.
jeffjbar
Recruit
A bipartisan majority of the Senate Finance Committee defeated the health-care "public option" yesterday, though in our view Max Baucus's bill will still reach the same destination, albeit more slowly. With that in mind, we offer as today's commentary a cautionary tale from the land of the original public option, Canada. Here are the opening paragraphs of Sunday's Los Angeles Times dispatch:
Associated Press
In January, the hip doctor told her that a narrowing of the spine was compressing her nerves and causing the pain. She needed a back specialist. The appointment was set for Sept. 30. 'When I was given that date, I asked when could I expect to have surgery,' said Woodkey, 72. 'They said it would be a year and a half after I had seen this doctor.'
So this month, she drove across the border into Montana and got the $50,000 surgery done in two days. 'I don't have insurance. We're not allowed to have private health insurance in Canada,' Woodkey said. 'It's not going to be easy to come up with the money. But I'm happy to say the pain is almost all gone.'
Whereas U.S. healthcare is predominantly a private system paid for by private insurers, things in Canada tend toward the other end of the spectrum: A universal, government-funded health system is only beginning to flirt with private-sector medicine.
Hoping to capitalize on patients who might otherwise go to the U.S. for speedier care, a network of technically illegal private clinics and surgical centers has sprung up in British Columbia, echoing a trend in Quebec. In October, the courts will be asked to decide whether the budding system should be sanctioned. More than 70 private health providers in British Columbia now schedule simple surgeries and tests such as MRIs with waits as short as a week or two, compared with the months it takes for a public surgical suite to become available for nonessential operations.
'What we have in Canada is access to a government, state-mandated wait list,' said Brian Day, a former Canadian Medical Assn. director who runs a private surgical center in Vancouver. 'You cannot force a citizen in a free and democratic society to simply wait for healthcare, and outlaw their ability to extricate themselves from a wait list.'"
In other words, while Congress debates whether to set U.S. medicine on the Canadian path, Canadians are desperately seeking their own private option. At least Ms. Woodkey had the safety valve of Montana and private American medicine. Once Congress passes a form of Medicare for all, with its inevitable government price controls and limits on care, Americans might not be so lucky.
Let's hope that by then Canada has expanded its own private option, so Americans will one day be able to visit Alberta for faster, better care. Unless Congress bars that too.
"VANCOUVER, CANADA
When the pain in Christina Woodkey's legs became so severe that she could no long hike or cross-country ski, she went to her local health clinic. The Calgary, Canada, resident was told she'd need to see a hip specialist. Because the problem was no life-threatening, however, she'd have to wait about a year.
So wait she did.In January, the hip doctor told her that a narrowing of the spine was compressing her nerves and causing the pain. She needed a back specialist. The appointment was set for Sept. 30. 'When I was given that date, I asked when could I expect to have surgery,' said Woodkey, 72. 'They said it would be a year and a half after I had seen this doctor.'
So this month, she drove across the border into Montana and got the $50,000 surgery done in two days. 'I don't have insurance. We're not allowed to have private health insurance in Canada,' Woodkey said. 'It's not going to be easy to come up with the money. But I'm happy to say the pain is almost all gone.'
Whereas U.S. healthcare is predominantly a private system paid for by private insurers, things in Canada tend toward the other end of the spectrum: A universal, government-funded health system is only beginning to flirt with private-sector medicine.
Hoping to capitalize on patients who might otherwise go to the U.S. for speedier care, a network of technically illegal private clinics and surgical centers has sprung up in British Columbia, echoing a trend in Quebec. In October, the courts will be asked to decide whether the budding system should be sanctioned. More than 70 private health providers in British Columbia now schedule simple surgeries and tests such as MRIs with waits as short as a week or two, compared with the months it takes for a public surgical suite to become available for nonessential operations.
'What we have in Canada is access to a government, state-mandated wait list,' said Brian Day, a former Canadian Medical Assn. director who runs a private surgical center in Vancouver. 'You cannot force a citizen in a free and democratic society to simply wait for healthcare, and outlaw their ability to extricate themselves from a wait list.'"
In other words, while Congress debates whether to set U.S. medicine on the Canadian path, Canadians are desperately seeking their own private option. At least Ms. Woodkey had the safety valve of Montana and private American medicine. Once Congress passes a form of Medicare for all, with its inevitable government price controls and limits on care, Americans might not be so lucky.
Let's hope that by then Canada has expanded its own private option, so Americans will one day be able to visit Alberta for faster, better care. Unless Congress bars that too.
shortcircut65
LT OFD N-49
A bipartisan majority of the Senate Finance Committee defeated the health-care "public option" yesterday, though in our view Max Baucus's bill will still reach the same destination, albeit more slowly. With that in mind, we offer as today's commentary a cautionary tale from the land of the original public option, Canada. Here are the opening paragraphs of Sunday's Los Angeles Times dispatch:
"VANCOUVER, CANADA
Associated Press
When the pain in Christina Woodkey's legs became so severe that she could no long hike or cross-country ski, she went to her local health clinic. The Calgary, Canada, resident was told she'd need to see a hip specialist. Because the problem was no life-threatening, however, she'd have to wait about a year.So wait she did.
In January, the hip doctor told her that a narrowing of the spine was compressing her nerves and causing the pain. She needed a back specialist. The appointment was set for Sept. 30. 'When I was given that date, I asked when could I expect to have surgery,' said Woodkey, 72. 'They said it would be a year and a half after I had seen this doctor.'
So this month, she drove across the border into Montana and got the $50,000 surgery done in two days. 'I don't have insurance. We're not allowed to have private health insurance in Canada,' Woodkey said. 'It's not going to be easy to come up with the money. But I'm happy to say the pain is almost all gone.'
Whereas U.S. healthcare is predominantly a private system paid for by private insurers, things in Canada tend toward the other end of the spectrum: A universal, government-funded health system is only beginning to flirt with private-sector medicine.
Hoping to capitalize on patients who might otherwise go to the U.S. for speedier care, a network of technically illegal private clinics and surgical centers has sprung up in British Columbia, echoing a trend in Quebec. In October, the courts will be asked to decide whether the budding system should be sanctioned. More than 70 private health providers in British Columbia now schedule simple surgeries and tests such as MRIs with waits as short as a week or two, compared with the months it takes for a public surgical suite to become available for nonessential operations.
'What we have in Canada is access to a government, state-mandated wait list,' said Brian Day, a former Canadian Medical Assn. director who runs a private surgical center in Vancouver. 'You cannot force a citizen in a free and democratic society to simply wait for healthcare, and outlaw their ability to extricate themselves from a wait list.'"
In other words, while Congress debates whether to set U.S. medicine on the Canadian path, Canadians are desperately seeking their own private option. At least Ms. Woodkey had the safety valve of Montana and private American medicine. Once Congress passes a form of Medicare for all, with its inevitable government price controls and limits on care, Americans might not be so lucky.
Let's hope that by then Canada has expanded its own private option, so Americans will one day be able to visit Alberta for faster, better care. Unless Congress bars that too.
that is in the bill. and has been documented to be true, from a democratic congressman. it will be illegal to seek care other than what the government is telling you you can receive. but lets say that you have the money, and you wish to get your problem taken care of, you will be charged with a crime, and sent to jail. it is in writing, both in the bill, and from a democratic congressman.
I think most of the comments here are missing the point . The reason that such legislation is even beeing cosidered is the cost of healthcare has skyrocketed at a rate of over 25% a year for over the last 10 years. They are out of control and are a very large threat to our economy. A 2 tier healthcare system is closer than you think. Very soon only the extreamly rich will be vable to afford first class healthcare. Middle and lower classes will have to go to healers and medicine men.
I work in a public school and the health insurance portion of my wages is very close to 50%. I went without any type of health insurance for over 3 years because the co-pay for the premium was unaffordable. Luckily I didn't get sick. If I would have ,I could have lost everything I own.
How could this bill make it any worse? The lies that the republicans are spreading through the media aren't even credible. Some people will believe anything.
I work in a public school and the health insurance portion of my wages is very close to 50%. I went without any type of health insurance for over 3 years because the co-pay for the premium was unaffordable. Luckily I didn't get sick. If I would have ,I could have lost everything I own.
How could this bill make it any worse? The lies that the republicans are spreading through the media aren't even credible. Some people will believe anything.
Veg_Out
Walking J Designs
Healthcare costs are eating my company alive. Alive.
This industry is just like the energy industry. Nothing's going to change because those folks making the money today are contributing to the political fortunes of those in power, today.
Keep healthy is the best advice. Drink water, lots of it, exercise and pray. Otherwise, you'll break all of us.
This industry is just like the energy industry. Nothing's going to change because those folks making the money today are contributing to the political fortunes of those in power, today.
Keep healthy is the best advice. Drink water, lots of it, exercise and pray. Otherwise, you'll break all of us.