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'11 Mustang V6 vs. '10 Camaro V6 vs. '10 Genesis Coupe 3.8 vs. '10 Challenger V6

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http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/...upe-3-8-vs-2010-camaro-rs-vs-2010-chal-90859/

4th place: Dodge Challenger SE
A yacht trying to keep up with speedboats, but the ride and style are smooth.

3rd place: Chevrolet Camaro RS
A quick coupe whose weight sacrifices fun and cartoonish cabin compromises comfort.

2nd place: Ford Mustang V-6
New 3.7 is nearly as quick as last year's 4.6-liter V-8, and more fun to drive, too.

1st place: Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Track
The only one that looks and feels like a sports car. Surprise, we liked it best.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...dai_genesis_coupe_v6_track.html#ixzz0lHyTcJeX
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This is why you don't trust MotorTrend.
 
Motor Trend is another one of those that love foreign cars.

I refuse to give them the time of day!
 
Motor Trend or not, Hyundai has come a long way from the Scoupe. And the warranty, 10 year-100k..... well at least the company is willing to back their product.
 
db9938 said:
Motor Trend or not, Hyundai has come a long way from the Scoupe. And the warranty, 10 year-100k..... well at least the company is willing to back their product.
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GM has a 5YR/100K warranty, it's not that far off. Plus, the Camaro almost matched the Hyundai in performance. The Hyundai even got smoked by the 2011 Mustang V6. The article is nothing more than evidence of bias in journalism.
 
Thats why I got rid of my Truck Trend subscription several years back. I got tired of them telling me how great the Honda Ridgeline was as a "truck".:rolleyes5:
 
a_Username said:
GM has a 5YR/100K warranty, it's not that far off. Plus, the Camaro almost matched the Hyundai in performance. The Hyundai even got smoked by the 2011 Mustang V6. The article is nothing more than evidence of bias in journalism.
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I'd buy a new Camaro in a heartbeat. But all the gadgets make it so friggin' heavy and bulky.. for what is supposed to be a sports car. :confused:
 
3500GMC said:
I'd buy a new Camaro in a heartbeat. But all the gadgets make it so friggin' heavy and bulky.. for what is supposed to be a sports car. :confused:
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First of all it's not the "gadgets" that make the car heavy. The platform its based on (Zeta II) is simply just a heavy platform to begin with. And the last time I checked, there was no weight limit to be a sports car. If that's the case, then the GT-R, Veyron, etc. aren't sports cars. The car is capable of high 12s-low 13s with good-average driver. And if you're an excellent driver, then you'll see mid 12s. This, combined with its excellent track performance, is what makes it a sports car. And if you think the Camaro is heavy, then I'd advise you sit in a Challenger.
 
There was a pretty cool episode on Nat Geo not that long ago about the Camaro plant in Toronto (Oshawa). I can't remember, but I think they also did a show on the car's development and followed it through pilot production in a small scale plant where a lot of the initial hand work began.

As far as the Hyundai, I've never actually seen one on the road for all the hype they put into it.
 
a_Username said:
First of all it's not the "gadgets" that make the car heavy. The platform its based on (Zeta II) is simply just a heavy platform to begin with. And the last time I checked, there was no weight limit to be a sports car. If that's the case, then the GT-R, Veyron, etc. aren't sports cars. The car is capable of high 12s-low 13s with good-average driver. And if you're an excellent driver, then you'll see mid 12s. This, combined with its excellent track performance, is what makes it a sports car. And if you think the Camaro is heavy, then I'd advise you sit in a Challenger.
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Bullshit.

Obviously you are biased by looking at you avatar. The general trend is leaning toward adding consumerist GARBAGE that does nothing but drive up the cost, complexity and weight. If you had that kind of power and drivetrain in a reasonably light package without the bling monster wheels and other extraneous shit, you'd be better off. Were talking a CAMARO not a friggin' Veyron. How can you even mention Veyron? Don't try and browbeat me with the platform name, Zeta has been around for years in many different GM models globally, not just the new Camaro.


And one last thing, get off my ass.
 
3500GMC said:
Bullshit.

Obviously you are biased by looking at you avatar. The general trend is leaning toward adding consumerist GARBAGE that does nothing but drive up the cost, complexity and weight. If you had that kind of power and drivetrain in a reasonably light package without the bling monster wheels and other extraneous shit, you'd be better off. Were talking a CAMARO not a friggin' Veyron. How can you even mention Veyron? Don't try and browbeat me with the platform name, Zeta has been around for years in many different GM models globally, not just the new Camaro.


And one last thing, get off my ass.
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I'm biased? You do realize that's my car right? Plus, if I was biased then obviously I'd be preaching the new 2011 GT is all hype, which obviously untrue and the new GT is arguably the best performance value to come along in this segment in years.

Zeta is a heavy platform, and there is no way around that. Almost all the vehicles based on the Zeta platform are around 4000lbs, give or take. And I the reason why I brought up the Veyron is because you somehow believe that the weight of the Camaro hinders it from being a sports car, but the Veyron weighs 500+ lbs more thus by your logic it isn't a sports car either.

You obviously have no clue about the sale of vehicles. You have to strike a balance between performance, practicality, and style. Style is obvious for the Camaro, considering its won multiple awards, such as Design of the Year. Practicality is what makes the Camaro a suitable daily driver, considering the IRS setup in the car is very conservative. Performance is the main focus, hint the average high 12s, low 13s in the 1/4 from the car.
 
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