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06 LBZ - Check Engine Light, Code P0667

RayMich

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Can someone please, tell me what DTC P0667 means?

These last two years have been financially devastating for us. Fortunately, I still have an excellent credit rating, so I've been able to borrow to stay afloat. Today, I am 120 miles from home trying to bid on a job and I certainly don't need any truck problems, but looks like problems will follow me wherever I go. :frown2:

Last night around 11:30 PM the outside ambient temperature here was around 50 Degrees. I started the truck in a hurry and didn't even look at the glow plug light. I turned the key and released it too soon and the engine didn't start, so I did it again and it started without any problem. By the time I got to the end of the 150 ft driveway, the check engine light came on. Since I had to get some sleep, I continued and drove 2.5 miles to my mom's house. It was late and I had to get to bed, so I didn't have time to check for codes.

This morning the temperature was in the mid 50's. When I went to start the truck, the Glow Plug light would NOT go off; after about 10 seconds, I turned the key anyway and stated the engine (Normally the glow light goes off in about 3 seconds at these temperatures, but not today.) The engine started fine and ran fine, but the CEL was ON again. I did notice the Volt Meter was reading around 10 volts. This is the way it usually runs for about 5 minutes or so while the intake air heater is running.

I drove for 1 mile and shut it off. When I turned the key back ON, the glow plug light came ON again. Normally after the engine has run this long (10 minutes) in these temperatures the Glow Plug light does not come ON again, but it did this time. After about 5 seconds, I went ahead and cranked the engine and it started, but the CEL is still on.

I drove another 2 miles to the job site and shut it off.

Now, this afternoon I used my code reader and it says I have (2) P0667 codes, one is pending and the other set the CEL ON.

Here I am trying to bid on a new contract and this truck decides to balk and give me some more crap to worry about. I cannot find any information about DTC P0667, but I'm sure is has something to do with the glow system.

Do the glow plugs normally continue to heat up once the engine has started?

I sure hope I haven't melted one or more glow plugs. I definitely cannot afford ANY major repair expenses at this time. If this requires a major tear-down, I'm out of business. I simply can't borrow that much money to fix this damned thing. :eek:

Should I try to find a local GM dealer and try to see what the problem is and try to get it repaired out here at some unknown dealer, or can I wait 'till I get home in a couple days to take it to my GMC dealer?

This is freakin' amazing. For the first 5-year and 65,000 miles the truck ran early flawless. I had ONE claim to replace an ABS sensor and hub assembly on the very last day that my 5-yr/ $0 deductible Extended Warranty was in force and GM covered the repairs. GM wanted another $2800 to extend the warrant another 12 months, but with $100 deductible. I couldn't justify that expense, so I figured that since I had practically ZERO problems for the first 5-years and 65,000 miles, I could risk it and not spend that kind of money up front, that I didn't have.

Not long after the warrant expired, the engine went on LIMP MODE and it cost me $47 for the dealer to diagnose and clean a dirty MAF sensor.

I finally get the truck paid off and now THIS ! ! !

I sure don't need any more of this crap ! ! ! ! :mad2:

Sorry for venting my frustrations here. :(

Your suggestions and ideas are greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
 
P0667 Cruise 'Resume' Signal Error
Just drive it Ray. Key cycles will clear it
On edit: check the "DTC" list at the forum top. Are you sure it wasn't a P0677?
 
P0667 Cruise 'Resume' Signal Error
Just drive it Ray. Key cycles will clear it
On edit: check the "DTC" list at the forum top. Are you sure it wasn't a P0677?

You are absolutely correct Mike, I just checked it again and it is P0677. - The Glow Light will NOT go out unless I start the engine and the CEL is ON solid.

I'm so stressed out right now, I can hardly see straight. I have to get this bid done by tomorrow afternoon and this problem with the truck has got me seeing double. This morning I woke up at 5:00am with sharp chest pains. Can't really tell what it is. I went for my annual Doctor's check up last week and everything checked out good. My brother asked me about my cholesterol and that was at 189. Even the doctor commented that it was good. But this stress can be a killer.

This morning I took a couple of aspirins and 3 antacid tablets. So far, no more pain. I hope it stays gone 'cause I don't have time or money to deal with any major doctor's bills right now.

I forgot about the DTC list on the forum. I'll check it right now.

Thanks Mike.

Best regards.
 
You are absolutely correct Mike, I just checked it again and it is P0677. - The Glow Light will NOT go out unless I start the engine and the CEL is ON solid.

I'm so stressed out right now, I can hardly see straight. I have to get this bid done by tomorrow afternoon and this problem with the truck has got me seeing double. This morning I woke up at 5:00am with sharp chest pains. Can't really tell what it is. I went for my annual Doctor's check up last week and everything checked out good. My brother asked me about my cholesterol and that was at 189. Even the doctor commented that it was good. But this stress can be a killer.

This morning I took a couple of aspirins and 3 antacid tablets. So far, no more pain. I hope it stays gone 'cause I don't have time or money to deal with any major doctor's bills right now.

I forgot about the DTC list on the forum. I'll check it right now.

Thanks Mike.

Best regards.

Glowplug Circuit # 7 failed. Possibly a bad glowplug. Did you ever have your glowplug controller reflashed when that update come out a few years ago? I believe Grady (saratoga) did a DIY Writeup for replacing the GP. So, it should be a problem.
 
IIRC, replacing a GP is pretty simple and not at all costly.

Hang in Ray. In the long run, keeping you viable is far more important than anything... ANYTHING!
 
I swear, I must be going senile 'cause I can't find that DTC List on this forum. :???:

I did a Google search and found the code on the diesel Garage posted by ripmf666.

DTC DTC Descriptor Module That Sets the DTC Diagnostic Procedure

P0677 - Glow Plug 7 Control Circuit Set by ECM -- Diagnostic Procedure: DTC P0671-P0678

Great! - Looks like I DO have a glow plug that failed. I sure as hell hope it hasn't melted and bulged the tip. - That will require head removal.

Which one is the No 7 cylinder.

Are the Duramax cylinders numbered the same as the old GM gas V-8's?

...FRONT
......^
LH ----- RH
1 ......... 2
3 ......... 4
5 ......... 6
7 ......... 8

How do you check the glow plug?

Will it hur it if I continue to drive the truck and wait until I get back home, or should I find a GM garage around here?

Thanks.
 
Cyls are LH bank 2,4,6,8
RH bank 1,3,5,7

Firing order 1,2,7,8,4,5,6,3

On edit, I wonder if you could just disconnect #7 GP and tape the connector for now.
#7 should be pretty easy to get to Ray.
 
I found this Tech Bulletin about the LBZ glowplugs. It is looking like at a minimum I will need to replace all 8 glow plugs. Someone told me that they cost around $33 to $40 Each. So that will be $264 to $320 for parts alone. If GM does the work it will probably be at least double that.

If the glow plug tips are missing, that will involve an engine tear-down.

I just called and talked to the Service Manager at my GMC dealer back home and he said that since the truck is 6 months past the warranty period (It's 5 1/2 years old, but only has 68,000 miles), GM will NOT make any decision until the truck is torn down. If they decline to pay, then I'm stuck with having to pay the dealer for the tear-down and if I can't have them fix it, they will just give me all the parts in a box.

I can't run the risk with an unknown dealer with no way to get around, so I'm gonna have to risk it and wait 'till I get home.

I am really getting soured on this whole GM diesel program. It's bad enough to be getting 13 to 16 MPG at $4.20 per gallon of diesel. But these repair costs are out of this world. May be I should just get a used Toyota Camry and drive it to the ground. Everyone I know who owns one had way over 150,000 trouble-free miles and still going strong. My son's Toyota has over 170,000 miles with ZERO issues.

Oh, well! - Live and learn!

____________________

Document ID# 1802153

2006 Chevrolet Chevy K Silverado - 4WD

Subject: Diesel Engine Glow Plug Trouble Codes - keywords calibration circuit glowplug GPCM hard indicator LBZ LLY module multiple P064C P0671 P0672 P0673 P0674 P0675 P0676 P0677 P0678 program programming SES #PIP3586C - (03/28/2006)

Models: 2006 Chevrolet Express, Kodiak, Silverado

2006 GMC Savanna, Sierra, TopKick

Equipped with the 6.6 (RPO - LBZ or LLY) Duramax Diesel Engine

The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.

Condition/Concern:

A vehicle may be brought into the dealer with the SES light on and multiple cylinder glow plug DTCs set. Multiple glow plug DTCs may be caused by internal opens in the glow plugs. There are two different descriptions for an internal open in a glow plug. A fast open glow plug is a plug with an internal open circuitry, but no visual damage to the tip of the plug. A slow open glow plug is a plug that has internal open circuitry, and the tip of the plug is missing or damaged.

Recommendation/Instructions:

Complete the current SI diagnostics for any symptoms or DTCs found. If the diagnostics for P0671-P0678 led to a glow plug resistance of more than 1 ohm, replace all of the glow plugs. If any of the glow plug tips are missing, the cylinder head must be removed. All debris needs to be removed from the cylinder. When the tip of the glow plug enters the cylinder, engine damage may occur. Make any engine mechanical repairs as needed.

1. A loose battery feed connection at the starter, alternator, or the Glow Plug Control Module (GPCM) may induce glow plug concerns. When the starter, alternator, or GPCM battery feed circuit has a poor connection, the GPCM will sense a voltage fluctuation, and induce the GPCM to power up the glow plugs. Untimed GPCM cycling may cause glow plug concerns. Inspect the connections at the starter, alternator, and both ends of the battery feed cable to the GPCM. Connector C1 terminal 1 at the GPCM is a quick disconnect type of connector. Make sure terminal fit is clean and tight and the quick disconnect is seated properly. The source or main power feed location differs depending on the vehicle being serviced. On GMT800 C/K model trucks, the power feed stud is located in the Under Hood Bussed Electrical Center (UBEC). To access this power feed stud, the secondary UBEC cover has to be removed. On GMT610 "G" vans inspect the underhood junction block connection. On GMT560 4500/5500 trucks inspect the secondary fuse block connection. There are other electrical scenarios that can induce glow plug concerns. If the glow plug system senses a certain electrical "noise" on the power feed, the glow plugs may also go open. This electrical "noise" may be induced by jump starting, disconnecting the batteries with the ignition in the ON position, or a battery charger being used during a module reprogramming event. If the glowplug DTCs have set on a very low mileage vehicle (below 1000 miles) the glowplugs may have been damaged by the engine start up test conducted at the engine assembly plant. Do not replace the GPCM for all 8 internal opened glow plugs. GPCMs have been returned and inspected with no problem found.

2. Complete all electrical circuit inspections and engine repairs as described above. After necessary repairs are completed, update the calibration in the GPCM. (See campaign 06522) Install the new GPCM software, and complete Fuel Injector Flow Rate Programming following SI procedures.

Note: Add-on remote starter or alarm kits must be removed before any glowplugs are replaced. Interruptions to normal starting procedures may induce glowplug concerns.

Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.

GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See your GM dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.

WE SUPPORT VOLUNTARY TECHNICIAN CERTIFICATION

© Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.

Document ID# 1802153

2006 Chevrolet Chevy K Silverado - 4WD
 
Cyls are LH bank 2,4,6,8
RH bank 1,3,5,7

Firing order 1,2,7,8,4,5,6,3

On edit, I wonder if you could just disconnect #7 GP and tape the connector for now.
#7 should be pretty easy to get to Ray.
Thanks Mike, I'll see if I can try your suggestion.
 
I found this Tech Bulletin about the LBZ glowplugs. It is looking like at a minimum I will need to replace all 8 glow plugs. Someone told me that they cost around $33 to $40 Each. So that will be $264 to $320 for parts alone. If GM does the work it will probably be at least double that.

If the glow plug tips are missing, that will involve an engine tear-down.

I just called and talked to the Service Manager at my GMC dealer back home and he said that since the truck is 6 months past the warranty period (It's 5 1/2 years old, but only has 68,000 miles), GM will NOT make any decision until the truck is torn down. If they decline to pay, then I'm stuck with having to pay the dealer for the tear-down and if I can't have them fix it, they will just give me all the parts in a box.

I can't run the risk with an unknown dealer with no way to get around, so I'm gonna have to risk it and wait 'till I get home.

I am really getting soured on this whole GM diesel program. It's bad enough to be getting 13 to 16 MPG at $4.20 per gallon of diesel. But these repair costs are out of this world. May be I should just get a used Toyota Camry and drive it to the ground. Everyone I know who owns one had way over 150,000 trouble-free miles and still going strong. My son's Toyota has over 170,000 miles with ZERO issues.

Oh, well! - Live and learn!

____________________

Document ID# 1802153

2006 Chevrolet Chevy K Silverado - 4WD

Subject: Diesel Engine Glow Plug Trouble Codes - keywords calibration circuit glowplug GPCM hard indicator LBZ LLY module multiple P064C P0671 P0672 P0673 P0674 P0675 P0676 P0677 P0678 program programming SES #PIP3586C - (03/28/2006)

Models: 2006 Chevrolet Express, Kodiak, Silverado

2006 GMC Savanna, Sierra, TopKick

Equipped with the 6.6 (RPO - LBZ or LLY) Duramax Diesel Engine

The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.

Condition/Concern:

A vehicle may be brought into the dealer with the SES light on and multiple cylinder glow plug DTCs set. Multiple glow plug DTCs may be caused by internal opens in the glow plugs. There are two different descriptions for an internal open in a glow plug. A fast open glow plug is a plug with an internal open circuitry, but no visual damage to the tip of the plug. A slow open glow plug is a plug that has internal open circuitry, and the tip of the plug is missing or damaged.

Recommendation/Instructions:

Complete the current SI diagnostics for any symptoms or DTCs found. If the diagnostics for P0671-P0678 led to a glow plug resistance of more than 1 ohm, replace all of the glow plugs. If any of the glow plug tips are missing, the cylinder head must be removed. All debris needs to be removed from the cylinder. When the tip of the glow plug enters the cylinder, engine damage may occur. Make any engine mechanical repairs as needed.

1. A loose battery feed connection at the starter, alternator, or the Glow Plug Control Module (GPCM) may induce glow plug concerns. When the starter, alternator, or GPCM battery feed circuit has a poor connection, the GPCM will sense a voltage fluctuation, and induce the GPCM to power up the glow plugs. Untimed GPCM cycling may cause glow plug concerns. Inspect the connections at the starter, alternator, and both ends of the battery feed cable to the GPCM. Connector C1 terminal 1 at the GPCM is a quick disconnect type of connector. Make sure terminal fit is clean and tight and the quick disconnect is seated properly. The source or main power feed location differs depending on the vehicle being serviced. On GMT800 C/K model trucks, the power feed stud is located in the Under Hood Bussed Electrical Center (UBEC). To access this power feed stud, the secondary UBEC cover has to be removed. On GMT610 "G" vans inspect the underhood junction block connection. On GMT560 4500/5500 trucks inspect the secondary fuse block connection. There are other electrical scenarios that can induce glow plug concerns. If the glow plug system senses a certain electrical "noise" on the power feed, the glow plugs may also go open. This electrical "noise" may be induced by jump starting, disconnecting the batteries with the ignition in the ON position, or a battery charger being used during a module reprogramming event. If the glowplug DTCs have set on a very low mileage vehicle (below 1000 miles) the glowplugs may have been damaged by the engine start up test conducted at the engine assembly plant. Do not replace the GPCM for all 8 internal opened glow plugs. GPCMs have been returned and inspected with no problem found.

2. Complete all electrical circuit inspections and engine repairs as described above. After necessary repairs are completed, update the calibration in the GPCM. (See campaign 06522) Install the new GPCM software, and complete Fuel Injector Flow Rate Programming following SI procedures.

Note: Add-on remote starter or alarm kits must be removed before any glowplugs are replaced. Interruptions to normal starting procedures may induce glowplug concerns.

Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.

GM bulletins are intended for use by professional technicians, NOT a "do-it-yourselfer". They are written to inform these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or to provide information that could assist in the proper service of a vehicle. Properly trained technicians have the equipment, tools, safety instructions, and know-how to do a job properly and safely. If a condition is described, DO NOT assume that the bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle will have that condition. See your GM dealer for information on whether your vehicle may benefit from the information.

WE SUPPORT VOLUNTARY TECHNICIAN CERTIFICATION

© Copyright General Motors Corporation. All Rights Reserved.

Document ID# 1802153

2006 Chevrolet Chevy K Silverado - 4WD

If the tip fell off, I'd think you'd know it by now. A glow plug is a pretty simple thing, don't stress over it. My LBZ was tuned from 3K on up till 80K when I sold it. And the 2nd half of those miles at >500RWHP. It's just the luck of the draw for some, I never had an issue with mine.
 
Glowplug Circuit # 7 failed. Possibly a bad glowplug. Did you ever have your glowplug controller reflashed when that update come out a few years ago? I believe Grady (saratoga) did a DIY Writeup for replacing the GP. So, it should be a problem.

Yes, I had the glow plug recall taken care of when the truck was two months old, if I remember correctly.

I was really happy that for the first five years I only had less than a handful of minor issues and all during the first year or so. The only significant issue I had during the extended warranty period was a clunk while stopping that was found to be a problem with an ABS sensor and its related hub. That was fixed of the very last day that the extended warranty was in force.

I have maintained this truck religiously to the best of my abilities. Now the dealer tells me that GM "MIGHT" agree to help, but only IF I have an on-going history of maintenance work done by GM dealers. Well, except for the very last oil change and lube, I have done ALL the maintenance myself. But I do have a record of everything that has been done, including every single gallon of fuel and quart of oil that has gone into this truck, so they better not give me any hassles. As it stands, I won't be able to go home 'till tomorrow or maybe Friday. So that means that I'll have to wait 'till Monday to take it to my dealer.

I sure hope this is something relatively simple, but the way my luck has been running the last two years, I'm not holding my breath. I'll still keep my fingers crossed, though. :)
 
Hopefully, I can get home tomorrow so I can get to my tools.

Having only one vehicle makes it NOT much fun when you have to work on the only transportation you have. :(

Tomorrow, I'm going to call around and see if I can get a glowplug and how much.

I guess I can pretty much conclude right now that I will need at least ONE, so I'll try to get it before I tear into this thing.

I am hoping and praying that the tip did not break off. If it did, I am totally screwed.

But, right now I better just try to have happy thoughts for the rest of the night and hopefully I'll be able to get some sleep tonight. :)
 
It's simple to change... taking the fender liner out takes more time than changing the plug itself. Just don't put 12V on the glow plug to test it. Use the ohm eater.

And remember that the cylinders are numbered ass backwards from a GM gas V8 (odds are on the passenger side).
 
Thank you all for your responses and the moral support.

Sorry I haven't had time to get back on line. We got a week extension on the deadline for this bid, so we've been busy trying to fine tune it and get it ready for submittal.

Needless to say, I didn't have the time to work on the truck.

I came back home for the weekend and spent Fathers Day at our oldest son's home with his lovely wife and the two little grandkids. Also, the youngest son who lives in Atlanta came up for the weekend, so that gave me some time to spend quality time with the family and clear my head.

Not having had time to work on the truck and having to go back down this week to finish this bid, I decided to let my GMC dealer have a crack at it this morning. I told the tech to be very careful when trying to get the glow plug out, in hopes that we would get it out intact.

He was very careful while unscrewing the failed glow plug and was able to get it out without breaking off the tip. The tip WAS slightly mushroomed, but it was still in one piece.

The parts department had ONE glow plug in stock, so we didn't have to wait while they ordered a new one from the warehouse.

So two and a half hours, plus $169.24 and two dozen donuts later, I was able to drive out with NO CEL staring at me.

I have found that taking some donuts for the service department break-room every once in a while, works wonders toward promoting good will at a dealership.

The $169.24 sure beats paying almost $600 for eight new glow plug with labor to replace them. And it sure as hell beats having to pay for all of that PLUS an engine teardown to chase down a broken glow plug tip.

GM needs to redesign these glow plugs, so that the thread diameter is at least twice the diameter of the glow plug tip and help reduce the possibility of breaking off a mushroomed tip while unscrewing a failed glow plug.

For now, I am relieved that the repair cost a lot less than it could've been.

One of the technicians at the dealership told me that mine was the forth truck they had worked on recently with failed glow plugs. Of the three previous trucks, the mushroomed glow plugs broke off on TWO of them and they both required engine teardowns to get the broken pieces out.

So I was pretty lucky that it only cost me $169.24 plus two dozen donuts to get my truck fixed. :thumbsup:

Thanks again, guys!
 
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