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RPM to VE CFM flow through the 6.5td

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AIR FILTER CFM minimum requirements for the 6.5td at various RPM’s and VE values @ WOT only.

If your diesel falls flat at WOT or while towing or loaded even with a tune consider the air filter is limiting the ability to flow required CFM and/or air-charge density needs to be increased.

The IDI diesel engine is an air-pump that is fuel throttle controlled and as the RPM raises so does the amount of CFM that is pumped through it the numbers are variable with RPM & VE with the air-charge-density being most critical part of the equation.

As always air density plays the greatest role in your total performance/economy results. The colder the intake air-charge the more oxygen is squeezed into a cubic foot of air and any additional fuel can burn more efficiently “remember a diesel is fuel throttled” so any increase in air-charge density along with additional fuel increases HP/TQ output and require less over all pedal input during normal driving conditions. Keep in mind while loaded/towing on an upgrade at WOT the more air density you have available the less-the-heat-load there is on the cooling system, engine oil and transmission fluid.

Any air flow modifications along with other mods that increase the VE of your specific build is a good thing minus any air flow loss in CAC/IC plumbing and any pressure drop across charge-air-cooler (aka incorrectly: intercooler).

Larger sized turbocharger compressor increases air flow @ lower boost levels with less heating of the air-charge and should be properly plumbed through a quality charge-air-cooler, air to water cooler or 1k psi water injection (higher psi the more atomization) directly injected or spray the outside of charge-air-cooler under load for best results.

An open air filter should be avoided at all costs because it reduces air density big time by pulling hot under hood/bonnet air into turbo compressor where it is heated more, then consider a small stock turbocharger @ high boost super heating the air-charge at WOT too. Proper sizing of turbine housing is critical as it affects drive/back pressure.

The following chart I made from various RPM’s from 3.0k to 4.0k and VE values from 1.5 VE to 3.0 VE with decent mods and properly sized CAC/IC @ WOT. As RPM’s increase so does the CFM depending on a diesels volumetric efficiency (VE).

The 400 CID 4 stroke 6.5 turbo diesels average CFM flow at various VE values & WOT. However, keep in mind under normal driving conditions not loaded/towing at lower RPM the cfm flow requirement is much less and a stock or mild aftermarket air filter is OK. “The denser the air-charge is the better.”

@ 3.0k RPM & 1.5 VE flows 521 CFM, @ 2.0 VE flows 694 CFM, @ 2.5 VE flows 868 CFM, and @ 3.0 VE flows 1042 cfm

@ 3.5k RPM & 1.5 VE flows 608 CFM, @ 2.0 VE flows 810 CFM, @ 2.5 VE flows 1013 CFM, and @ 3.0 VE flows 1215 cfm

@ 4.0k RPM & 1.5 VE flows 694 CFM, @ 2.0 VE flows 926 CFM, @ 2.5 VE flows 1157 CFM, and @ 3.0 VE flows 1389 CFM.

In conclusion a single or dual and properly sized for WOT air-filter (s) and canister (s) are required to get most out of the 6.5td @ WOT as is a quality charge-air-cooler (aka: improperly called intercooler) water to air cooler or high pressure 1k psi water injection is required to increase air-charge density.

Avoid any adapter in your intake air-filter to turbo compressor runner that makes your smaller runner match up to a larger turbo compressor inlet as it chokes the flow at WOT. The runner should match or be slightly larger in diameter than the turbo compressor inlet.

A larger air-filter will increase time between PM cleaning, replacing filter elements.
 
Backpressure is also big issue to airflow and power available at the crank let alone cooling system load for all factors above.

Were the above measurements for CFM assuming NA? What does 18 PSI of boost do for CFM?
 
Backpressure is also big issue to airflow and power available at the crank let alone cooling system load for all factors above.

Were the above measurements for CFM assuming NA? What does 18 PSI of boost do for CFM?

Back pressure was mentioned as was drive pressure. We know the turbine housing can be an issue and I hear that the exhaust manifolds are a restriction however little proof much less data to confirm this and IMHO the 6.5 simply does not turn @ enough rpms for the exhaust manifolds to be a critical issue. I suspect anyone making the claim are more in tune with high rpm gas engine as that is where exhaust manifold starts to be critical.

Some N/A race motors can get close to say 1.3 volume-metric efficiency (VE) all above VE values above that can only be achieved under boost and at the 3.0 VE is unreachable for all but a few as it requires lots of mods and a quality charge air cooling.

As for the 18 PSI question that is actually 2.23 pressure ratio @ sea level "actual 32.7 psi" and all turbos have an amount of air (SAE: LBS) they can move at 18 psi on boost gauge as per their maps show and are as different as apples and oranges. As you already know 18 psi through a GM8 is very different than say a full size HX40w.
 
As a side bar; Bill Heath's 500 HP land speed diesel engine the heads were not ported however larger valves from a N/A 6.2 were installed 1.96 & 1.63 along with a bump stick that was designed for higher RPM's.

Boost always increases VE however air charge density is critical to that increased VE.
 
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