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Goodness, gracious 3bals RV a-fire!

WarWagon

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Second, I will be explaining the events as they happened the best I can, later.
As an aside I know many, myself included, would like to read your full story on this. Esp. as you are a first responder and from that perspective.

Have you decided on a replacement, still looking, or letting the market cool some?

Don't forget the generator also has some value ... unless it got pulled out already.
 

3bals

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I think I have it all figured out now. I have a local towing company to tow it back to my area for $1500 and I'll be able to get $500 back from AAA. I also have a place to store it for free and a guy to do the work to remove the engine and stuff, then scrap the rest. Fingers crossed!
 

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I think I have it all figured out now. I have a local towing company to tow it back to my area for $1500 and I'll be able to get $500 back from AAA. I also have a place to store it for free and a guy to do the work to remove the engine and stuff, then scrap the rest. Fingers crossed!
Happy to hear You got it all worked out.
Do You have plans for the engine and transmission ?
 

Husker6.5

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Great to hear that, Jody! Happy Birthday, too! How were those smoked ribs?

Remember, unlike when you did the P400/Road Ripper install, they no longer have to come out from underneath using a pit/lift, since it's all toast anyway (pun intended) just cut the nose apart back to the doghouse opening in the floor, unbolt the motor from tranny, frame mounts, peripherals, roll the boom into the front of it, lift the motor and back out. Tranny would be about the same, maybe some cutting of the floor to get it out, or a big enough hoist pull as a unit.

Hell, borrow a "Jaws of Life" from one of your buddies still in the Department. A few well-placed snips and you'll have cut open the nose, windshields, dash/firewall and a bit of floor and have free access to it all to pull right out. Sell the rims/tires, rear axle, generator and anything else salvageable (RV commode, dual power fridge, range, whatever) and you may make back most of the towing/storage costs, too.
 

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As an aside I know many, myself included, would like to read your full story on this. Esp. as you are a first responder and from that perspective.

Have you decided on a replacement, still looking, or letting the market cool some?

Don't forget the generator also has some value ... unless it got pulled out already.

I told you I'd get to it eventually. Although we are still dealing with the insurance company and trying to finish my brother's estate. Here is the story as I told it to the insurance company.

"We left home on 8/2/21 enroute to Colorado for a wedding on 8/7/21. After getting fuel in Des Moines, we were traveling westbound on I80. I had the cruise set at 68 mph (it's the optimum speed for traveling). At the time we were listening to a story that was on a USB storage device plugged into the stereo. A few minutes before we noticed the fire, the story started skipping ahead and back a few chapters. At about 2:30pm as we were trying to figure out what was going on with the story, one of the 2 cats we were traveling with, started meowing frantically. We were looking around to see what she was meowing about, when we saw flames coming through the floor between the driver's and passenger seats. I quickly pulled over to the shoulder of I80 near mile marker 74. I grabbed the fire extinguisher and used some of it on the carpet, but could see that the engine was on fire. I went outside, opened the hood and emptied the rest of the extinguisher on the engine. By that time others were pulling over to help with their extinguishers. Then law enforcement arrived and used their extinguishers before the fire trucks arrived and extinguished the fire."

We were able to get out with the 2 cats safely and retreat to our car that we were towing behind the motorhome, which we disconnected and moved back a ways to be safe. We lost both of our cell phones and my wallet, which made things more difficult, but we got through it.

I don't have any plans for the engine at this time, but my wife thinks I should sell it. The thing is, if I sell it, I would need to cover my cost of retrieving it plus a little for the engine itself.
 

Husker6.5

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And I'll throw my two cents in as I spent several hours with Jody and his wife helping to salvage what they could from it from the towing yard in Atlantic a day or two later and started this post and posted a few pics I took of the damage.

Please, Jody, feel free to use your expertise and experience as a retired firefighter and jump on in if you think I've made a false assumption or misinterpretation of what I saw/photographed that day in Atlantic.

From what I saw, the fire did NOT start due to heat from the turbo, exhaust or the engine itself. Other than the chemicals from the extinguishers all over everywhere and a couple of burned insulation wires stretched across the the engine compartment and the wiring harness to the IP, the engine compartment damage was pretty much confined to the front 2/3 of the ~1" of carpet around the engine floor opening and to the corresponding area of the underside of the doghouse cover. When I went underneath and looked up, both sides and the bottom of the motor showed absolutely no heat/fire/burn damage and was as clean as a running 6.5TD could be.

What I did see was quite a bit of fire/heat damage under the "hood" area that is in front and above the radiator, with two big wiring harness bundles with multiple gauges of wires from what looked to be about 4 ga down to 14 ga - ALL with all the insulation burned off of them from the hood area that led up/came down from the passageway that goes up between the front nose panel and firewall to the back of the dash. What I also saw was smoke/burn marks going back from that area, over top of the radiator and to the fringe of the floor carpeting around the opening that was near those bundles going up to behind the dash area and the burn marks going over to the carpet on the driver side the motor the doghouse bottom seals down to that had burned about halfway around that opening and over to the passenger side - and was most likely the cause of the flames/smoke the cat and humans reacted to/saw. This makes perfect sense as the air coming in through the grill and "hood" area while driving would have greatly fanned any hot melting plastic insulation into flames and then blown the flaming, dripping plastic insulation back into the engine compartment and onto the carpet fringe.

Interior-wise you could see where there was definitely a hot fire from behind/inside the dash that got hot enough to melt part of the dash, char/shatter the the windshields and got high enough to get the fabric headliner on the underside of the front loft bed that lowers from the ceiling and burned back the headliner back to the galley/dining area.

When I took pictures of the melted out (+) terminal of the inboard Optima Yellow Top in the battery compartment, I thought it was due to heat/flames from the motor compartment fire. Then I started looking closer at my photos and realized that the battery compartment is completely separated from the engine compartment with steel panels, and is down low behind the right front tire and there was NO evidence of flames anywhere near the wheel well/battery box.

CONCLUSION: There was a short in one of the main harnesses - either internally to a ground wire or from rubbing against a frame/chassis part - pre-fuseblock, (possibly that one big cable that could very well have been the main Positive feed to the fuse block on the side of the dash) that not only got hot enough to melt, then catch on fire, the insulation but pulled enough current to melt out the lead Optima side terminal leaving the steel bolt and copper side lug intact. The wiring heat/fire just amplified behind the dash and the voltage surges/heat could very well be the reason why the USB/Stereo was acting funky just before the cat discovered the fire and all sh*t hit the fan, so to speak.

Well Jody @3bals, what do you think of my observations, reason for the fire?
 

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And I'll throw my two cents in as I spent several hours with Jody and his wife helping to salvage what they could from it from the towing yard in Atlantic a day or two later and started this post and posted a few pics I took of the damage.

Please, Jody, feel free to use your expertise and experience as a retired firefighter and jump on in if you think I've made a false assumption or misinterpretation of what I saw/photographed that day in Atlantic.

From what I saw, the fire did NOT start due to heat from the turbo, exhaust or the engine itself. Other than the chemicals from the extinguishers all over everywhere and a couple of burned insulation wires stretched across the the engine compartment and the wiring harness to the IP, the engine compartment damage was pretty much confined to the front 2/3 of the ~1" of carpet around the engine floor opening and to the corresponding area of the underside of the doghouse cover. When I went underneath and looked up, both sides and the bottom of the motor showed absolutely no heat/fire/burn damage and was as clean as a running 6.5TD could be.

What I did see was quite a bit of fire/heat damage under the "hood" area that is in front and above the radiator, with two big wiring harness bundles with multiple gauges of wires from what looked to be about 4 ga down to 14 ga - ALL with all the insulation burned off of them from the hood area that led up/came down from the passageway that goes up between the front nose panel and firewall to the back of the dash. What I also saw was smoke/burn marks going back from that area, over top of the radiator and to the fringe of the floor carpeting around the opening that was near those bundles going up to behind the dash area and the burn marks going over to the carpet on the driver side the motor the doghouse bottom seals down to that had burned about halfway around that opening and over to the passenger side - and was most likely the cause of the flames/smoke the cat and humans reacted to/saw. This makes perfect sense as the air coming in through the grill and "hood" area while driving would have greatly fanned any hot melting plastic insulation into flames and then blown the flaming, dripping plastic insulation back into the engine compartment and onto the carpet fringe.

Interior-wise you could see where there was definitely a hot fire from behind/inside the dash that got hot enough to melt part of the dash, char/shatter the the windshields and got high enough to get the fabric headliner on the underside of the front loft bed that lowers from the ceiling and burned back the headliner back to the galley/dining area.

When I took pictures of the melted out (+) terminal of the inboard Optima Yellow Top in the battery compartment, I thought it was due to heat/flames from the motor compartment fire. Then I started looking closer at my photos and realized that the battery compartment is completely separated from the engine compartment with steel panels, and is down low behind the right front tire and there was NO evidence of flames anywhere near the wheel well/battery box.

CONCLUSION: There was a short in one of the main harnesses - either internally to a ground wire or from rubbing against a frame/chassis part - pre-fuseblock, (possibly that one big cable that could very well have been the main Positive feed to the fuse block on the side of the dash) that not only got hot enough to melt, then catch on fire, the insulation but pulled enough current to melt out the lead Optima side terminal leaving the steel bolt and copper side lug intact. The wiring heat/fire just amplified behind the dash and the voltage surges/heat could very well be the reason why the USB/Stereo was acting funky just before the cat discovered the fire and all sh*t hit the fan, so to speak.

Well Jody @3bals, what do you think of my observations, reason for the fire?
The windshield was broken out by the firefighters to get the wet stuff on the red stuff.
 

Husker6.5

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Ok. Point being the windshield is already trashed, so what's a few cuts/snips through the front and knocking out the rest of the glass to pull the motor.
 
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